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Old 07-29-2007, 09:54 PM   #1
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Default Players who are great but you would never want as your leader

My list would be:

yao ming
tracy mcgrady
lebron james
allen iverson

they are all great but they are not winners. it's something about their approach to the game and personality that they will never be champions.
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Old 07-29-2007, 09:56 PM   #2
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T-MAC and Vince Carter.. neither will ever win as the leader of a team.
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Old 07-29-2007, 09:56 PM   #3
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Default Re: Players who are great but you would never want as your leader

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My list would be:

yao ming
tracy mcgrady
lebron james
allen iverson

they are all great but they are not winners. it's something about their approach to the game and personality that they will never be champions.


I can guarantee that Lebron will win at least 2 titles before his career is over. To say they will never be champions is absurd.
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Old 07-29-2007, 09:58 PM   #4
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I can guarantee that Lebron will win at least 2 titles before his career is over. To say they will never be champions is absurd.

what makes you think that? There's a lot of great players too, and it's not like he did anything that impressive outside of that one game vs the Pistons (Nets and wiz were terrible).

I should also add gilbert arenas but i don't know if he's "great"
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Old 07-29-2007, 09:58 PM   #5
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My list would be:

yao ming
tracy mcgrady
lebron james
allen iverson

they are all great but they are not winners. it's something about their approach to the game and personality that they will never be champions.
AI is a leader. He lead the Sixers to the finals. Lebron is young so he still has time. T-mac hasn't really been in a great situation or team untill last year where the coaching came into play. To say they will never become Champions is a stretch.
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Old 07-29-2007, 09:59 PM   #6
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Vince Carter, hands down by a mile.
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Old 07-29-2007, 10:00 PM   #7
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oh yeah i forgot about gilbert, i dont see him winning anything either.
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oh yeah i forgot about gilbert, i dont see him winning anything either.

yeah its generally not a good thing when your best player's goal is to score 50 points and take a thousand shots rather than to win
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I can guarantee that Lebron will win at least 2 titles before his career is over. To say they will never be champions is absurd.
I dont know if he'll win 2. At least not in Cleveland. If his main goal in life is to become a billionare as he has said hed have to sign with the knicks where they can afford to pay him the 25million a year he's going to want and will be able to keep spending to put decent players around him.
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What more does McGrady have to do? I mean, the guy stated himself that he gave every inch of breath in Game 7 vs. Utah. I mean what more do you expect, the guy did everything possible. From scoring, to setting up his usual suspects. It's obviously not his fault, the team was a total letdown in the series.

What's LeBron doing on there btw?
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What more does McGrady have to do? I mean, the guy stated himself that he gave every inch of breath in Game 7 vs. Utah. I mean what more do you expect, the guy did everything possible. From scoring, to setting up his usual suspects. It's obviously not his fault, the team was a total letdown in the series.

What's LeBron doing on there btw?

mcgrady choked his ass off vs the Mavs 2 years ago

Lebron doesn't seem like a winner. he had 1 good series and shot 34% in the Finals.
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what makes you think that? There's a lot of great players too, and it's not like he did anything that impressive outside of that one game vs the Pistons (Nets and wiz were terrible).

I should also add gilbert arenas but i don't know if he's "great"


Lack of competition. What team will challenge the Cavs in the east next year? Pistons, Bulls and maybe the Heat?
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AI is a leader. He lead the Sixers to the finals. Lebron is young so he still has time. T-mac hasn't really been in a great situation or team untill last year where the coaching came into play. To say they will never become Champions is a stretch.
I agree with AI, but you do know that Lebron also took his team to the finals this year right?

I'd absolutely refuse with ball with Lebron in my team though. I'd be fine with AI, Kobe, Shaq.
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