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Old 04-04-2007, 04:05 PM   #1
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Default Real Man's (not "RMWG," dammit) Insane Plan to End Tanking Forever:

(Had some interesting suggestions that I'm going to list as "alternate ideas" at the end of this first post)
Give the top spot in the lottery to the best team to miss the playoffs.

Right now the NBA is going through it's annual rite of crappage, tanking season, where the 8 or 9 teams in the NBA with the worst records all face off with faces in paper bags to see who can do the best job of losing while appearing to care about winning. Whenever a Lebron James or Greg Oden comes along teams are put in the bad position of having stronger motivation to lose than to win. Suddenly players left and right are struck with season-ending injuries and coach abruptly realizes that the twelfth man on the bench whose name he can't always remember has potential and just needs minutes to become a good player, especially if those minutes are in the fourth quarter of a close game. So us fans that bought tickets are cheated out of seeing a competitive bball game (for example, Sunday night's snoozefest between the Cavs and Celts that James missed because they thought the Cs were bad enough to take a day off and Pierce missed because there was no benefit to playing) and the integrity of teams with losing records comes into question every time they lose a game. So I ask, why not give bad teams reason to win the game? Instead of giving the worst teams the choice of "Top spot in the lottery or slightly worse spot in the lottery" make a team hovering around .500 pick between the playoffs and the top pick knowing that if they, a respectable team, tank it's going to be very hard to hide and they are losing out on playoff revenue.

Take Kevin Garnett. For three straight years now he and his Wolves will have missed the postseason. But what if, in one of these years his team gets Emeka Okafor, Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, Chris Paul, or Bargna..er, well, forget that last one. Point being, instead of him being, in a way, punished for his greatness by the team maintaining the same level of mediocrity wouldn't it be better for them to be able to add in the "missing piece" that even a good GM would have a hard time obtaining? Instead of letting the Hawks **** up lottery selections forever let's get some teams "on the verge" "over the hump." Like the Philadelphia 76ers. Instead of losing as much as possible to get Oden, who could make their young nucleus complete, they're trying to win games and doing a respectable job of it. And yet the rules will make it hard for them to be much better, if at all better, than they are right now. And I could go on ad nauseum...probably already have.

On the downside, it makes it harder for a truly bad team to improve. If the Hawks end up with someone like Tyler Hansborough (under the system I'm going to unveil later in this post, they'd probably draft around the middle of the pack) any team improvement would be 90% about the players they already have getting better and/or trades. But if there's one thing that can help you to become an average team, it's average players, and when you draft late in the lottery that's normally who you're going to get, so if they or any other late lottery team makes the right decisions they will eventually improve to the point where they're on top of the lottery, and from there, they can get a high pick. A small price to pay for restoring the competitiveness to the last quarter or even third of a season for so many teams.

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1. Superstar trades would also become easier. Right now if a great player on a bad team around the end of his prime wants to go to a Contender that bad team may be willing to deal him but they normally want youth/high picks/cap space in return. Three things that good teams normally don't have (at least, not readily available) but bad teams will have in abundance. But if a team like Minnie has the top pick in the draft, suddenly getting a superstar to team with Garnett becomes much easier. Then they can approach someone with a star that wants to win now...call him "Ball Fierce of the Beantown Irish" and get a deal done easily.

2. Games that are only aired to feature the top pick in the draft would become bearable. I remember watching a lot of the Cavs in LeBron James' rookie year. I shouldn't have. Next season we will no doubt see Greg Oden lose 10-15 nights on some team that has no business on National TV. But if Oden was thrown onto the Lakers (if they miss the postseason) or Nuggets (ditto)? Now, that's a team worth paying attention to.

3. If this idea became part of NBA rules then it would mean that I got to effect NBA policy. That excites you, right? Right?

Proposed lottery order, "1" being the worst team record and "15" being the best team record out of the playoffs: 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2...guess the last one. The rest of the first round would go from 16th to 30th. Second round would just be 1-30. Great idea, no?



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RM, i'm with you. the one change i would make is to keep a lottery system in place, but balance the odds in the order you determined instead of the order that rewards tankish behavior. or you could give everyone in the lottery (non-playoff teams) the same amount of ping pong balls. that way there's no incentive to tank and no incentive to fall out of the 8th seed because either way you've just got a 1/14 chance to get the top spot. you might as well get the playoff experience (and money) unless the draft is super-loaded.
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bad teams would never improve.

But that could be solved if there was a staggered system.

14,1,13,2, etc...
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Better idea: All teams that miss the playoffs get an equal opportunity to get the #1 pick. Those teams are drawn randomly to decide picks 1-14 and then 15-30 belong to playoff teams and are done strictly by team record.

If you weren't going to make the playoffs, there would be no point to tanking because your chances aren't going to improve.

One rule would be that any team who gets a top 5 pick cannot get a top 5 pick in the next lottery.

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Old 04-04-2007, 04:06 PM   #2
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:10 PM   #3
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RAMWOG, your idea leaves the worst teams the worst. Motivation can only carry them so far.
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Default Re: Real Man's (not "RMWG," dammit) Insane Plan to End Tanking Forever:

bad teams would never improve.

But that could be solved if there was a staggered system.

14,1,13,2, etc...
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:12 PM   #5
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your name is Get Buckets. I don't even know who Real Man is.
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Old 04-04-2007, 04:14 PM   #6
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RAMWOG, your idea leaves the worst teams the worst. Motivation can only carry them so far.
Yes, it probably does...but adding average talents every year should mean gradual improvement, plus there's also the chance they get lucky on a steal (they could also get a bust, but that's not positive thinking now, is it?).
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This is retarded. The reason why the lotery system is at its current state is to improve the worst team in the league by giving them the top pics. According to your plan, the bad teams will stay bad forever....
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bad teams would never improve.

But that could be solved if there was a staggered system.

14,1,13,2, etc...
That's not a bad idea, and I did consider it, but by then my post was half-written. Plus, that still leaves some reward for tanking, which is what I'm aiming to kill off.
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This is retarded. The reason why the lotery system is at its current state is to improve the worst team in the league by giving them the top pics. According to your plan, the bad teams will stay bad forever....
Actually, the point of the lottery is not to give the top pick to the worst team, it's to discourage tanking by removing the guarantee of the top pick. And the bad teams would not stay bad forever. Improvement would become harder but late lottery picks do help teams out.
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Default Re: Real Man's (not "RMWG," dammit) Insane Plan to End Tanking Forever:

And this plan gives absolutely no incentive for the 8th seed to lose 4 games in the regular season to get the 9th spot for the best shot at the #1 pick instead of losing 4 in the first round.

Come on.
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That's not a bad idea, and I did consider it, but by then my post was half-written. Plus, that still leaves some reward for tanking, which is what I'm aiming to kill off.
It doesn't leave reward for tanking.

It leaves reward for incredibly precise, nearly-impossible tanking.

1, 15, 2, 14, 3, 13, 4, 12, 5, 11, 6, 10, 7, 9, 8.

Teams can't maneuver around that kind of system RIMWUG.
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you're fixing one problem and creating another. now teams no longer fight for the 8 seed. they fight to get out of the playoffs because what is the 8 seed other than an invitation to lose in the first round? so bottom seed teams will be tanking the last month of the season to get Oden.

you're taking away a small problem and creating a gigantic one. already ****ty teams playing ****tier is not a problem when compared to good NBA teams playing ****ty.
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Actually, the point of the lottery is not to give the top pick to the worst team, it's to discourage tanking by removing the guarantee of the top pick. And the bad teams would not stay bad forever. Improvement would become harder but late lottery picks do help teams out.

If you notice, every year after the first few picks, there is huge drop off in talent and the rest of the picks are totally dependent of team needs. If you don't give the worst teams the lotery players, they seriously would be bad forever.
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And this plan gives absolutely no incentive for the 8th seed to lose 4 games in the regular season to get the 9th spot and #1 pick instead of losing 4 in the first round.

Come on.
Bourne is right REEMWONG, the whole thing is lame.

The season is too long. There needs to be less "impending doom" time for crappy teams.

65 game-season! Also helps fix the injury epidemic by spreading the games out over the same amount of time. Puts greater emphasis on every game.

I know it'll never happen, but 65 instead of 82 is awesome.
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And this plan gives absolutely no incentive for the 8th seed to lose 4 games in the regular season to get the 9th spot for the best shot at the #1 pick instead of losing 4 in the first round.

Come on.

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