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Old 11-21-2012, 02:23 AM   #1
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Default Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

Well assuming the team running it can get the right kind of role players.

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It's a "run and gun" offense with offensive possessions often lasting only five seconds in duration (12 seconds at the most), usually resulting in a 3-point shot. Grinnell tries to get over 100 shots per game and over 50 - 60% of those as 3-point shots. They crash the offensive boards with four rebounders, going for the long rebound off missed 3-point shots.

Defensively, Grinnell full-court presses the entire game, using several press defenses, forcing the tempo, trying to create turnovers. They usually force about 28 turnovers per game, but their goal is 32. These forced turnovers often result in easy baskets in transition. Half-court defense is not a huge priority... opponents may score in the half-court, but Coach Arseneault believes his team can simply out-score them using their offensive system and their press defenses.

Of his 15 players, Coach Arseneault will typically have 4 - 6 squads of five players (various 5-player combinations) that he uses. He will substitute five new players every two minutes or so, keeping fresh legs in the game at all times, wearing the opponent down by the end of the game. Many players will get playing time and no-one plays the entire game. You will need two or three good point-guards who can score, otherwise forget this system.
http://www.coachesclipboard.net/GrinnellOffense.html


Here's one clip of how things look in a typical Grinnell contest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZgKFLadcfM
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:50 AM   #2
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

If it did, ish would overrate the hell out of whichever franchise player was playing for that team.
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:30 AM   #3
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

05-07 Suns were pretty close
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

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05-07 Suns were pretty close
Closest maybe but nowhere near close. Grinnell system is an entirely different sport. In the Grinnell games they used to show they only sent back one or two guys to get rebounds in case the other team misses. The rest of Grinnel players just play defense on the other team's side of the court and wait to cherrypick if they actually make it past halfcourt.

Also, they key to the Grinnell System is the minutes. Those guys go all out when they're on the floor because they only have to play a couple possessions at a time.
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

Can't see a team contending trying to run something like that. I'm sure it's feasable if you had the right guys and could make a lot of steals and had a great really fast pg, but I think the Nash Suns showed about as far as you could go JUST running and gunning in the NBA
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

If the season was 20-30 games long than who knows but over 82 games+ playoffs no chance
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

5 seconds or less is overkill.

Full court press, though, is underused and underrated in the NBA. When it's been used, it's often been tremendously effective (for instance with the Bulls).
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

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Can't see a team contending trying to run something like that. I'm sure it's feasable if you had the right guys and could make a lot of steals and had a great really fast pg, but I think the Nash Suns showed about as far as you could go JUST running and gunning in the NBA
This isn't anything like Nash's Suns though. Entirely different as someone has mentioned.
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

No. Absolutely no. Too many guards in the NBA can break a full court press.
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

No, because alot of the turnovers they force come from "little" skilled offensive players. NBA players are way more precise. Full court press might force more turnovers than any half court defense but not in the way it does at some D3 college.

Another aspect is the short 3pt line in college.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:25 AM   #11
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

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This isn't anything like Nash's Suns though. Entirely different as someone has mentioned.

More like Westhead's Nuggets and they sucked hard!
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

The team would need to run a 10-12 man rotation and have reliable players 1 thru 10. A superstar wouldn't thrive in this system (unless he's an absurd 3 point shooter) cuz he would only play about 30 mins max. This style would be too much wear and tear to play full time, it's something that could be effective in stretches with the right players on the floor.
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No, because alot of the turnovers they force come from "little" skilled offensive players. NBA players are way more precise. Full court press might force more turnovers than any half court defense but not in the way it does at some D3 college.

Another aspect is the short 3pt line in college.

Well said.

The full court press doesn't work in the NBA the way it does in college.

As the Westhead-coached Denver Nuggets proved in the late 80's/early 90's you can successfully play uptempo basketball in the NBA but your opponent on most nights will outscore you. If you let your opponent break the "play" and run, it shows you how they are some of the best in the world.
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Default Re: Would the Grinnell System work in the NBA?

Nope. The Denver Nuggets ran something of the "run and gun" system back in the 80s. The same with the Suns of the late 2000 range. The Grinnell System would not work in the NBA because of how the system works. It involves getting more shots off not just better shots, just getting more shots off. In the traditional basketball mindset, the fans, coaches, and owners folks want players taking high percentage shots. In the Grinnell system does not work that way. The System is centered on trying to get more shots than your opponet. So if the Spurs got off 60 shots, the Lakers would have to get off 65-70 more shots than the Spurs.

Then you throw in the pace, subbing more often, shooting quickly, pressing continuously, and trading threes for layups, it would not work in the NBA. Some NBA teams are not developed to run an uptempo style of play like the one Grinnell offers. It would not work on the full scale of what Grinnell offers.
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:53 AM   #15
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It's laughable that people think it could. Last years Bobcats would win a series against a Miami team running that "system."
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