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did socrates invent the socratic method?
surely he is the namesake and surely he was well known for the method... but at the same time, it's just interrogation which is a natural part of language
and then he didn't even coin the phrase. but at the same time... he is the godfather of the method.
but at the same time...
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Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
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i honestly don't know
no wait i don't think so, plato invented it. but socrates did it..............
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talk less, say more
Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
What do you mean by "Socratic method"?
Greek philosophy before Socrates basically splits into two groups:
1. Poets who were sweeping but vague, and who flirted with profound truths and paradoxes but didn't do much to develop their ideas ("Presocratics"); and
2. Orators, most of whom were baldly relativists and profiteers. ("Sophists")
Socrates, by asking questions like, "What do you mean by X?", "What *is* X?", etc., invented real philosophy. Is that what you mean by "the Socratic method" (I assume, "of inquiry"), or do you mean something else?
If you mean the way seminar classes in college are taught, I don't know who invented that, but it wasn't Socrates. I don't know if I ever took a good seminar. BS and rambly, pretentious time-wasting run rampant in that format. At the undergraduate level at least. Others may have different experiences.
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Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
Were Socrates and Plato Greek?
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Perfectly Calm, Dude
Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
Originally Posted by RidonKs
surely he is the namesake and surely he was well known for the method... but at the same time, it's just interrogation which is a natural part of language
Is interrogation a natural part of language? It is now, but was it before. For example, is interior monologue a natural part of fiction? or did Joyce have to recognize/invent it.
Somebody has to do it first, whether it's Socrates or not. Somebody had to have the insight of breaking a complex concept into a series of simpler questions could help solve the the problem.
Without the Eureka! moment of insight it may not be part of our language or it may have not become part of the language for another few hundred years.
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Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
He did not invent it, he just made it famous.
Just like google did not invent "googling".
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Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
Originally Posted by KevinNYC
Is interrogation a natural part of language? It is now, but was it before. For example, is interior monologue a natural part of fiction? or did Joyce have to recognize/invent it.
Somebody has to do it first, whether it's Socrates or not. Somebody had to have the insight of breaking a complex concept into a series of simpler questions could help solve the the problem.
Without the Eureka! moment of insight it may not be part of our language or it may have not become part of the language for another few hundred years.
i don't think your analogy quite fits but having never read joyce and not really knowing what interior monologue is, i have to hold my tongue
this was the point of the thread in a nutshell. it's on odd thing to ask because questioning is so easy for us, it's on the tip of your tongue every time, why.. which then you turn onto other people when you hear them speak. maybe i'm wrong but that is my shitty encapsulation of the socratic method.
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Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
Originally Posted by iamgine
He did not invent it, he just made it famous.
Just like google did not invent "googling".
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Big Booty Hoes!!
Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
Recorded history only goes back so far. At some point, it's really just a matter of the oldest case of something being written down.
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Perfectly Calm, Dude
Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
Originally Posted by RidonKs
i don't think your analogy quite fits but having never read joyce and not really knowing what interior monologue is, i have to hold my tongue
this was the point of the thread in a nutshell. it's on odd thing to ask because questioning is so easy for us, it's on the tip of your tongue every time, why.. which then you turn onto other people when you hear them speak. maybe i'm wrong but that is my shitty encapsulation of the socratic method.
My point is that things that look absolutely standard to us still had to be invented. Even things like metaphors and similes were inventions at one point.
Interior monologue is hearing the thoughts inside a character's head. It's pretty basic to storytelling nowadays, but it's only about a 100 years old. It's also known as stream of consciousness. Joyce didn't invent it, but he probably had the most famous use of it in Ulysses. The whole last chapter is one character's thoughts as she lays in bed next to her husband.
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Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
Originally Posted by KevinNYC
My point is that things that look absolutely standard to us still had to be invented. Even things like metaphors and similes were inventions at one point.
Interior monologue is hearing the thoughts inside a character's head. It's pretty basic to storytelling nowadays, but it's only about a 100 years old. It's also known as stream of consciousness. Joyce didn't invent it, but he probably had the most famous use of it in Ulysses. The whole last chapter is one character's thoughts as she lays in bed next to her husband.
yeah i've heard of it, i think the reason i have stayed away from joyce for so long is because it sounds awful and i'm scared of the idea. but yeah there is an origin story for everything.
my question is how integral to the functioning of our language is the 'interrogative'? or how fundamental if you like. moreover but totally different how integral to the development of our language has the 'interrogative' been? like in terms of the distillation process for semantics or grammar specifics or stuff like that
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Perfectly Calm, Dude
Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
Originally Posted by RidonKs
yeah i've heard of it, i think the reason i have stayed away from joyce for so long is because it sounds awful and i'm scared of the idea. but yeah there is an origin story for everything.
my question is how integral to the functioning of our language is the 'interrogative'? or how fundamental if you like. moreover but totally different how integral to the development of our language has the 'interrogative' been? like in terms of the distillation process for semantics or grammar specifics or stuff like that
You're probably thinking if Finnegan's Wake which is impenetrable. Ulysses and especially the monologue is quite good. But you can start with early works like his short story collection Dubliners which includes
Araby
The Dead
both of these deliver a punch right at the very end
and an earlier less experimental novel Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
Hell, Ulysses is read in pubs every year it can't be that awful.
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Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
i have two copies of finnegans wake both unread bought three years apart both times knowing it's something i should read but probably won't
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talk less, say more
Re: did socrates invent the socratic method?
my question is how integral to the functioning of our language is the 'interrogative'? or how fundamental if you like. moreover but totally different how integral to the development of our language has the 'interrogative' been? like in terms of the distillation process for semantics or grammar specifics or stuff like that
Well, there has always been mythology. Mythology, it seems to me, is a culture's answer to certain questions that present themselves to intelligent but limited beings like us.
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