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The Immortal 08-21-2013 05:18 AM

2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
http://www.nba.com/allstar2003/all_s...03_030123.html
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2003 NBA ALL-STAR GAME STARTING LINEUPS

Eastern Conference
F- Vince Carter (Toronto)
F- Jermaine O’Neal (Indiana)
C- Ben Wallace (Detroit)
G- Allen Iverson (Philadelphia)
G- Tracy McGrady (Orlando)

Western Conference
F- Tim Duncan (San Antonio)
F- Kevin Garnett (Minnesota)
C- Yao Ming (Houston)
G- Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles Lakers)
G- Steve Francis (Houston)

2003 NBA ALL-STAR BALLOTING

EASTERN CONFERENCE

Forwards: Vince Carter (Tor) 1,300,895; Jermaine O’Neal (Ind) 940,958; Grant Hill (Orl) 827,403;; Antoine Walker (Bos) 528,613; Kenyon Martin (NJ) 431,775; Latrell Sprewell (NY) 286,883; Shareef Abdur-Rahim (Atl) 269,601; Darius Miles (Cle) 263,009; Richard Jefferson (NJ) 241,090; Jamal Mashburn (NO) 235,417.

Guards: Tracy McGrady (Orl) 1,316,297; Allen Iverson (Phi) 1,155,897; Michael Jordan (Was) 1,082,909; Jason Kidd (NJ) 962,325; Paul Pierce (Bos) 313,652; Ray Allen (Mil) 266,735; Jerry Stackhouse (Was) 204,299; Baron Davis (NO) 189,818; Reggie Miller (Ind) 187,075; Ricky Davis (Cle) 166,745.

Centers: Ben Wallace (Det) 1,123,090; Dikembe Mutombo (NJ) 610,232; Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Cle) 297,895; Antonio Davis (Tor) 238,789; Brad Miller (Ind) 238,755; Brian Grant (Mia) 201,568; Tony Battie (Bos) 135,458; Theo Ratliff (Atl) 133,315; Todd MacCulloch (Phi) 130,256; Elden Campbell (NO) 121,352.

WESTERN CONFERENCE

Forwards: Tim Duncan (SA) 1,179,955; Kevin Garnett (Min) 1,086,780; Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 1,079,425; Chris Webber (Sac) 906,836; Peja Stojakovic (Sac) 308,524; Elton Brand (LAC) 260,313; Pau Gasol (Mem) 230,285; Scottie Pippen (Por) 213,529; Robert Horry (LAL) 184,971; Rasheed Wallace (Por) 184,535.

Guards: Kobe Bryant (LAL) 1,474,386; Steve Francis (Hou) 966,669; Steve Nash (Dal) 786,923; Mike Bibby (Sac) 630,766; Gary Payton (Sea) 511,056; Michael Finley (Dal) 464,740; Doug Christie (Sac) 224,015; Tony Parker (SA) 199,634; John Stockton (Uta) 184,404; Andre Miller (LAC) 180,260.

Centers: Yao Ming (Hou) 1,286,324; Shaquille O’Neal (LAL) 1,049,081; Vlade Divac (Sac) 362,451; David Robinson (SA) 270,042; Raef LaFrentz (Dal) 202,325; Michael Olowokandi (LAC) 126,992; Arvydas Sabonis (Por) 91,684; Marcus Camby (Den) 82,290; Erick Dampier (GS) 59,073; Radoslav Nesterovic (Min) 40,726.

TOP 10 OVERALL
Kobe Bryant (LAL) 1,474,386
Tracy McGrady (Orl) 1,316,297
Vince Carter (Tor) 1,300,895
Yao Ming (Hou) 1,286,324
Tim Duncan (SA) 1,179,955
Allen Iverson (Phi) 1,155,897
Ben Wallace (Det) 1,123,090
Kevin Garnett (Min) 1,086,780
Michael Jordan (Was) 1,082,909
Dirk Nowitzki (Dal) 1,079,425


You'd think the greatest and most popular player of All-Time in his very last season/all-star game would get more love from the fans. It's crazy that Vince Carter at the top of his game was forced to step down for his Airness.

I wonder if Kobe or LeBron today would do the same for MJ?

The Immortal 08-21-2013 05:20 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
Ben Wallace more popular than MJ? :wtf: MJ fans, ya'll got some splainin to do.

SamuraiSWISH 08-21-2013 05:25 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
He was 40 that year, missed games the season before, wasn't a starter for part of that season and his style of play by that point wasn't as exciting to a younger generation of casuals. He leads the NBA all time with 9 seasons as leading vote getter. I take it this is what your trolling has to resort to ... Pathetic

jcsrplumply 08-21-2013 05:31 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
1998 - 1,028,235
1993 - 1,035,824
1992 - 1,049,573
:confusedshrug:

The Immortal 08-21-2013 05:32 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
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Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
He was 40 that year, missed games the season before, wasn't a starter for part of that season and his style of play by that point wasn't as exciting to a younger generation of casuals. He leads the NBA all time with 9 seasons as leading vote getter. I take it this is what your trolling has to resort to ... Pathetic

Pretty sure he was 39 for most of the season:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/2003/

I don't care if MJ is 50, no way he should be trailing Ben ****ing Wallace. LOL at the excuses.

CarlosBoozer 08-21-2013 05:33 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
Dat Ben Wallace D :bowdown:

PickernRoller 08-21-2013 05:34 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
Definitely a gimmick.

Djahjaga 08-21-2013 05:37 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcsrplumply
1998 - 1,028,235
1993 - 1,035,824
1992 - 1,049,573
:confusedshrug:


I'd imagine voting was conducted differently then.

In any case, I think it's pretty impressive that he was top-10 in voting at age 40.

Players receiving fewer votes than MJ:

- Jason Kidd
- Paul Pierce
- Ray Allen
- Dirk Nowitzki
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Grant Hill
- Steve Francis
- Chris Webber

imdaman99 08-21-2013 05:39 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
how stupid are lebron stans? this guy is talking about ben wallace being more popular than jordan... why? because ben wallace was playing center in a conference without a center? brilliant, lebron stans you never cease to amaze me :applause:

Harison 08-21-2013 06:22 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
Small votes difference, prime superstars like Duncan, KG, etc. just barely won over 40 years old Jordan on his last legs. Nothing to be ashamed about for MJ.

iamgine 08-21-2013 06:58 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
You have to understand that while there are many who vote based on popularity alone, there are plenty who vote based on ability. Many MJ fans didn't automatically vote for him because they were also basketball fans who didn't think MJ deserved it over some of the younger stars.

#number6ix# 08-21-2013 07:13 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
Who gives a fuck... It's 2013

ukballer 08-21-2013 07:59 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
Comparing players who played in a different position and were in a completely separate category to vote for, ISH logic. :D

As for the actual correct category, T-Mac and AI were both playing out of their minds, in their primes, what do you expect?

I'm tired of MJ comparisons, and super MJ fanboy's as much as the next guy, but at least think it over before making retarded threads with completely irrelevant data. :facepalm

Psileas 08-21-2013 08:41 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
Considering that this was the least prolific season of his career, playing basically at a "marginal/arguable All-Star" level and that he still received a comparable number of votes with elite All-Stars and MVP candidates tells me that he was easily among the very most popular players in the league. Even more so if you consider that lots of people were asking Vince Carter to surrender to him the A.S starter role, despite having got more votes (then, why the heck were they voting for Carter more?).

The Immortal 08-21-2013 08:50 AM

Re: 2003 All-Star voting (MJ not so popular after all?)
 
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Originally Posted by Psileas
Considering that this was the least prolific season of his career, playing basically at a "marginal/arguable All-Star" level and that he still received a comparable number of votes with elite All-Stars and MVP candidates tells me that he was easily among the very most popular players in the league. Even more so if you consider that lots of people were asking Vince Carter to surrender to him the A.S starter role, despite having got more votes (then, why the heck were they voting for Carter more?).

You got your shit wrong bro, no offense. You're mixing up the wants/view of the people with the media/ espn. The people wanted VC, hence why he was voted in there.


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