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Old 02-05-2008, 02:11 AM   #1
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Default Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

The nets will continue to lose games as long as VC is ruining it for them late in games. He plays with no heart at all and makes poor decisions with shot recognition and passing.

Why don't they offer him for some decent role players? Nets will do much better than they are right now.

They just made a good trade to bring a player that fits Jason Kidd's playing style (swift).

They shouldn't stop there.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:13 AM   #2
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

To trade someone, there has to be a market for them. Who wants Vince Carter and the $50 million or whatever it is left on his contract right now, given what you just (accurately) said about him?

They aren't going to get quality in return for him. They can't unload him for nothing because he doesn't have an expiring contract, so it doesn't help a bad team, and for the reasons you just said he isn't going to help a good team win a title.

I'm sure they'd love to trade him if they could improve their team by doing so. How's that gonna happen?

They need to start essentially from scratch. Kidd's window has closed. The near-triple double average looks nice but he isn't anywhere near what he was five years ago. Jefferson's a nice third or fourth wheel, I'd keep him long-term. Vince has to go...but how are you trading him?
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:14 AM   #3
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

No one wants to take Carter's contract. Also, there is no way in hell the Nets get anything close to equal value right now. Carter playing the way he is now is still a top 10 SG in the league.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:17 AM   #4
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

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No one wants to take Carter's contract. Also, there is no way in hell the Nets get anything close to equal value right now. Carter playing the way he is now is still a top 10 SG in the league.

He's making bad decisions.

He is scoring yes but he's not playing with heart. He laughs after losses for crying out loud!
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:26 AM   #5
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

Why is there a thread bashing Vince every other day?
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:30 AM   #6
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Why is there a thread bashing Vince every other day?

Because if you can still put up over 20 ppg, over 5 apg and almost 6 rpg in your 10th season after many injuries and 25-28 ppg, 5-6 rpg, 4-5 apg and 40-43 3P% seasons you suck.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:35 AM   #7
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

If I'm New Jersey I would do this: Tell any team that wants Jason Kidd that they have to take Vince Carter too. This narrows it to one possible team I can think of and thats Cleveland. They can trade Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Eric Snow, and Donyell Marshall. This is good for New Jersey cause they get a decent PF in Gooden whose contract expires next year, an expiring contract in Newble, 2 more contracts that expire next year in Snow and Marshall, and they get rid of a bad contract in Carter for a bad contract thats shorter with Hughes. For Cleveland they have the next 3 years with the best possible of chance of contending for a title, which shows the commitment that they are dedicated to winning, which will help keep Lebron in Cleveland. They get Kidd which is what Lebron wants, and can help the team so much, and they get Carter who is definitely on the decline, but he's still way better then Larry Hughes, and maybe it will be easier for him cause he won't have the pressure of being the leading scorer on the team.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:39 AM   #8
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

3 years of 60 million contract left on an aging player who primarily relies on his athleticism. Thats why.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:45 AM   #9
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

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Why is there a thread bashing Vince every other day?
Because he used to POSTERIZED their favorite players back in the day.
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:57 AM   #10
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

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Because he used to POSTERIZED their favorite players back in the day.

People hate on VC for the same reason they hate on Big Ben... Over paid and isn't the same player he used to be (Ben is still my fave, BTW, mainly based on what he did, not what he does.)
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:19 AM   #11
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

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The nets will continue to lose games as long as VC is ruining it for them late in games. He plays with no heart at all and makes poor decisions with shot recognition and passing.

Why don't they offer him for some decent role players? Nets will do much better than they are right now.

what a great sales pitch.

"Hey, I've got an overpaid heartless dumbass. Wanna make a trade?"
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Old 02-05-2008, 06:11 AM   #12
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

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He laughs after losses for crying out loud!
Yeah, laughing all the way to the bank. Bloody oath, I'd be laughing too if I was a bachelor living right next to New York, making over 13 million a year!

Anyway the guy can still play very well. I think he's actually getting underrated these days with all the VC bashing going on. I mean come on, he's not Larry the mason or Ricky Davis the loser. Even without the dunks he's got a lot of great moves to get to the basket. While Magic was paying him out on TNT the other day, the clips they showed had some great aggressive moves to the rim which Vince finished with ease. I remember in the end Magic had to resort to simply saying that they used to be dunks. He probably didn't expect them to play one of Vince's highlight performances while he was trying to bag him out

And if the Nets do make a trade, I doubt they could get equal value back anyway.
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Old 02-05-2008, 06:14 AM   #13
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

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And if the Nets do make a trade, I doubt they could get equal value back anyway.

In a monetary sense. Talent wise, I think they could.
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Old 02-05-2008, 06:14 AM   #14
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

nets are probably stuck with his monster contract.

and why would they want to trade him for a "decent scoring swingman", when he is, all hate aside, still more than decent scoring swingman? last time i checked, 20 ppg guys don't grow on trees.
and it's not like someone's going to give nets the same quality younger guy with smaller contract in exchange for VC.
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Old 02-05-2008, 06:32 AM   #15
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Default Re: Why can't nets just trade VC for a decent scoring swingman?

The Nets may get lucky and a team like Dallas may get desperate and decide they need an upgrde and chase after VC/Kidd.
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