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Old 12-15-2007, 10:57 AM   #16
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Default Re: Nets throw a strike to get Williams in game??

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Jason Collins understanding of the game and the Nets system makes him superior to Williams.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BGSGarO22_o

"Does he score? No. Does he rebound? No. Does he block shots? No."
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Old 12-15-2007, 11:02 AM   #17
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"Does he score? No. Does he rebound? No. Does he block shots? No."
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I said UNDERSTANDING not statistical impact. Statistical impact wise Collins could be replaced by a six year old girl and the Nets not skip a beat.

In terms of Understanding the game/system the only big on the Nets even close to Collins is Nenad Krstic who should be nicknamed Mr Glass.
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Old 12-15-2007, 11:07 AM   #18
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I said UNDERSTANDING not statistical impact. Statistical impact wise Collins could be replaced by a six year old girl and the Nets not skip a beat..

Correct which is why you dont need collins at all.
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Old 12-15-2007, 11:08 AM   #19
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I said UNDERSTANDING not statistical impact. Statistical impact wise Collins could be replaced by a six year old girl and the Nets not skip a beat.

In terms of Understanding the game/system the only big on the Nets even close to Collins is Nenad Krstic who should be nicknamed Mr Glass.

I never said he didn't. If he's so good, he should be a coach rather than a player, imo.
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Old 12-15-2007, 11:09 AM   #20
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I never said he didn't. If he's so good, he should be a coach rather than a player, imo.
Can't argue with that.


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Correct which is why you dont need collins at all.
Incorrect because without Collins you'd have a bunch of bigs with almost no understanding of how to play basketball.
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Can't argue with that.


Incorrect because without Collins you'd have a bunch of bigs with almost no understanding of how to play basketball.



Listen to this assessment by the nets coach."He doesn't score, he doesn't rebound, he doesn't block" Then going on to say no scoring is one of his best attributes. He can take a charge whoopdee****ingdoo. His basketball IQ is boiled down to what? Setting picks? Taking charges? Using up 3 fouls in 20 minutes? Real smart, that's the guy you give 5 minutes to at the end of the game when you're up by 20.

You would rather that over a guy who can
A:Start the break ON A ****ING FAST BREAK TEAM
B:Run the court and finish the break ON A ****ING FAST BREAK TEAM
C:Playing with the 3 of the best passing players on 1 team and can actually catch an oop. Rediculous.

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Old 12-15-2007, 11:56 AM   #22
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Maybe it's because Sean Williams is a foul prone energy player who will be exposed as such if he's faced with heavy minutes.

I'm not a big Lawrence Frank fan but people are really starting to over-rate what Sean Williams brings to the table.

Agreed. Williams is the epitome of energy player. If he played 35 minutes, he'd be exposed as what he is....a rookie.

But he deserves 20 minutes off the bench...no question.
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I love it how Sean Williams is more foul prone than a guy he averages less fouls than.
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Old 12-15-2007, 12:00 PM   #24
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If your current bigs consist of Malik Allen, Jason Collins and Josh Boone, then yes, Williams deserve to play big minutes.
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Default Re: Nets throw a strike to get Williams in game??

The stat matchup - both play exactly the same time
18.46mpg Collins
- 1.1pts 37%fg 22%ft 2.4rebs 0.7ast 0.4stl 0.4blks 3.0fouls
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Old 12-15-2007, 12:08 PM   #26
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Default Re: Nets throw a strike to get Williams in game??

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If this is for real, Frank needs to be fired. This guy is blind... Williams is what the Nets need to win. Blocks and tenacity on the defensive end. Something the Knicks have also lacked since Camby was traded (Mutombo was too old when he played for us).
Let me get this straight. The team is tanking shots (pretty much tanking the games as well) because they want to play coach and get a player in and the COACH should get fired? Are you serious? If this is true, I hope none of those underachieving bums ever play for any team I cheer for. I've never read something soo outrageous in my life. Probably adds to why Jason Kidd sat out with a chick-injury last week. I bet even Isiah Thomas wouldn't stand for BS like that. Really screw those players.
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Old 12-15-2007, 12:12 PM   #27
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If your current bigs consist of Malik Allen, Jason Collins and Josh Boone, then yes, Williams deserve to play big minutes.
Minutes, yes. Big minutes, no. Big minutes means he'd have to spend more time cover the better interior threats so he'd see a huge jump in his fouls. Big minutes also mean opposing team could exploit his lack of understanding on offense by letting him receive entry passes and effectively kill a set by making the wrong decision.

For example, Nets run a "three man" UCLA set. The opposing team denies the pass from top to wing so the pass has to go to Williams on the high psot. When he catches the ball at the high post Williams immediately turns into the lane. The play just got killed because Williams doesn't understand the game.
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Old 12-15-2007, 12:13 PM   #28
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Default Re: Nets throw a strike to get Williams in game??

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The stat matchup - both play exactly the same time
18.46mpg Collins
- 1.1pts 37%fg 22%ft 2.4rebs 0.7ast 0.4stl 0.4blks 3.0fouls
18.46mpg
Williams-6.8pts 56%fg 68%ft 4.7rebs 0.3ast 0.5stl 1.9blks 2.6fouls
Woah, I guess you could say everyone on this board is a better free throw shooter then Collins. We could kick his ass at a game of horse.
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Old 12-15-2007, 12:34 PM   #29
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Default Re: Nets throw a strike to get Williams in game??

Sean Williams and Jason Collins should be splitting the minutes in the 5 spot right down the middle, 24 minutes each. Both bring something different to the table that help at different times in the game, but they are both valuable.

Josh Boone and Malik Allen should split the 4 spot too...
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Old 12-15-2007, 02:29 PM   #30
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Default Re: cavs vs net..tank job??

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Let me get this straight. The team is tanking shots (pretty much tanking the games as well) because they want to play coach and get a player in and the COACH should get fired? Are you serious?

Soooo...
this is how rumours get started eh. Even when it "has no legs" to stand on, how do theses rumors travel so far then. (enuff cliches?)

Please watch the replay of the game in the link provided >> here <<

As far as I can tell, it seems like to me the players were in an offensive rut. As soon as Frank brought the kids in (S. Williams and boone) Of all miracles...these kids led the way. Their ability to put the ball in the basket provided immediate dividends for the nets. Something they sorely lack from collins "the greater".

I see no "tanking" job. Just some of you ppl using your imagination, and seeing something there, were there wasn't .

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