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Old 12-14-2007, 03:25 PM   #1
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Default Teams that get better without their best player

Is there any teams that get significantly better with their best player out of the line-up?

We're currently seeing this in Washington with Arenas out. Offense seems to be alot more flowing and other players are maximizing their skills. Any other team that comes to mind?

Keep in mind Their Best Player
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Old 12-14-2007, 03:26 PM   #2
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People have been speculating that about Jermaine O'Neal. Pacers fans: opinions?
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Indiana without JO
NY without Marbury
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Old 12-14-2007, 03:28 PM   #4
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Default Re: Teams that get better without their best player

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Indiana without JO
NY without Marbury

Come on, Stephon's not the Knicks' best player. It's Zach Randolph.
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Old 12-14-2007, 03:30 PM   #5
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Default Re: Teams that get better without their best player

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Is there any teams that get significantly better with their best player out of the line-up?

We're currently seeing this in Washington with Arenas out. Offense seems to be alot more flowing and other players are maximizing their skills. Any other team that comes to mind?

Keep in mind Their Best Player

See also The Ewing Theory:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1193711
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Crazy find. Shame that this example was made out of Ewing whom I've seen as a true sportman and the greatest Knick ever.
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Default Re: Teams that get better without their best player

washington without Gilbert..... all starting 5 with doubles 4 times in a row
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Old 12-14-2007, 03:51 PM   #8
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Default Re: Teams that get better without their best player

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Crazy find. Shame that this example was made out of Ewing whom I've seen as a true sportman and the greatest Knick ever.
it was post knee injury 36 (possibly 37) year old ewing, not beast of the east ewing, and the crucial factor wasn't so much that he wasn't the best player as that the other players were all suited to an uptempo game, and he didn't have the knees for that.
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Default Re: Teams that get better without their best player

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Come on, Stephon's not the Knicks' best player. It's Zach Randolph.

Zach Randolph is just as bad, isn't the knicks record worse than it was last year. Portland has a better record with a bunch of near rookies after dumping ZBo on NY.
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Default Re: Teams that get better without their best player

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Is there any teams that get significantly better with their best player out of the line-up?

We're currently seeing this in Washington with Arenas out. Offense seems to be alot more flowing and other players are maximizing their skills. Any other team that comes to mind?

Keep in mind Their Best Player


The cavs of course because we all know that without LeBron, Cleveland is a championship contender team.

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Old 12-14-2007, 04:41 PM   #11
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it was post knee injury 36 (possibly 37) year old ewing, not beast of the east ewing, and the crucial factor wasn't so much that he wasn't the best player as that the other players were all suited to an uptempo game, and he didn't have the knees for that.

Actually, it goes back to his Georgetown days. Read the article.
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Indiana without JO

darn tootin'! he's playing a bit better now though.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:55 PM   #13
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Default Re: Teams that get better without their best player

Hate to say it, but...

The Kings without Bibby. At least, when they still had K-Mart in the lineup.
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Old 12-14-2007, 04:59 PM   #14
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Actually, it goes back to his Georgetown days. Read the article.
i'll admit that i haven't read that article, but as enthralling as bill simmons made up facts are, i'm pretty sure that ewing won the ncaa championship his senior year. not sure that john thompson was thanking his lucky stars when they broke up that team.

edit: okay, i broke down and read the article, and i was wrong. it wasn't bill who said that georgetown played better without ewing. it was some friend of his. and here's how they define a player who was by far the best oo a team that won it's conferencce and was a conference finalist that lost to a juggernaught chicago squad and a finalist that took the champs to 7 games.

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"Dave introduced me to the Ewing Theory three years ago, and we've been tinkering with it like Voltaire and Thoreau ever since. Eventually, we decided that two crucial elements needed to be in place for any situation to qualify for "Ewing" status:

1. A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).

2. That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) -- and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.

When those elements collide, you have the Ewing Theory."

well done mr. simmons and mr. simmons' friend. maybe watch some ball instead of coming up with theories.

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Lakers were 3-0 last year without Kobe.
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