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Old 11-17-2007, 12:58 AM   #16
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Yeah, Ideally if a team wants to run the ball they don't want their point guard as their leading rebounder. If he's grabbing 41% of their defensive rebounds it means that they're going to have trouble pushing the ball, which doesn't suit the Nets offense at all, since their pretty mediocre in the halfcourt game (especially with Vince Carter out).
wow I don't know where you heard that I disagree. You want your PG to rebound the ball if you want fast breaks.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:00 AM   #17
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Kidd is crazy... and you gotta admit the Nets big men suck...
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:03 AM   #18
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Kidd is crazy... and you gotta admit the Nets big men suck...

Well Nenad doesn't suck...he's just not physically ready.....

But the rest of them are a grab bag of mediocrity.....
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:07 AM   #19
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Haha he's old but still damn good.
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Old 11-17-2007, 01:10 AM   #20
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wow I don't know where you heard that I disagree. You want your PG to rebound the ball if you want fast breaks.
Have you ever heard of outlet passes, they're the best way to trigger a fast break. You want you're point guard to receive those outlet passes, which is kind of hard to do if you're point guard is getting 41% of your free throws.
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Old 11-17-2007, 04:05 AM   #21
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I bet the big men on that team have the mentality to already sprint down the court cause Kidd is gonna grab the board and transition quickly. That's why the bigs aren't getting the boards.


they do...if you watch nets games alot of the times they let Kidd get the board so he can start the break right away.The other factor is that the big men on the nets just suck and rebounding.
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wow I don't know where you heard that I disagree. You want your PG to rebound the ball if you want fast breaks.

exactly
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Yeah... That's why whenever a guard or a player able to push the tempo like a point guard grabs the rebound, a fast break starts... That's why Kidd needs the rebounds. He's still a beast though.
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Old 11-17-2007, 09:12 AM   #24
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The Nets outrebounded the Magic, I don't think it's fair to blame their big men on this one, like they should compete against Jefferson and Kidd for the easy rebounds.
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Old 11-17-2007, 10:46 AM   #25
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The Nets outrebounded the Magic, I don't think it's fair to blame their big men on this one, like they should compete against Jefferson and Kidd for the easy rebounds.

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Old 11-17-2007, 11:29 AM   #26
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I bet the big men on that team have the mentality to already sprint down the court cause Kidd is gonna grab the board and transition quickly. That's why the bigs aren't getting the boards.



that's one of the reasons:


the reason Kidd rebounds so well:


33% of the time, if the Nets get a gang rebound clear out, the big men will simply let Kidd take the board (even if the big men are in position)

33% of the time, Kidd knows his missed his own shot or that someone else is going to miss a shot so he tracks the ball the instant it comes down and is ready to rebound the ball where it lands or is ready to anticipate the steal.

33% of the time, Kidd uses his 6'4" frame and hangs out in the midpost area. remember, he's not some 6'1" thin guard. he's 6'4" and pretty buff (though he's not ripped) so he has a good advantage getting boards.




anyway, the real reason the Nets are sucking it up right now? lack of a player who commands double teams. note this is not an excuse for their poor record. just analyzing why they are not taking advantage of a home heavy schedule early on.

when the Nets were 4-1, they won against 4 mediocre teams by playing defense (averaging 89PPG for the opponents on 40% FG, would be even lower if not for the Chicago OT game) and barely scrapping together enough offense. Carter may be struggling, but with RJ getting the All Star numbers, things were not too different from years past. (the thing is even struggling, Carter demands the double team and RJ can roam around single coverage or wide open for his very efficient looks) but their frontline, while deeper than ever before, never quite got into synch because the Nets don't run many plays in the low blocks and the erratic substitution patterns are throwing a lot of guys off (Magloire, Allen, Boone) Moreover, Krstic is still about 10 months removed from ACL surgery. those things take about 12-15 months to recover fully and have the player regain his explosiveness, lift, timing, etc... right now, everytime he gets deep post position he screws the shot up. every time he is open on the perimeter, he hesitates. in essence, KRstic is not the 17/7 center the Nets saw early last year. Hopefully, they will see him again, but who knows at this point?


so last night the Nets started

Kidd
Wright
Jefferson
Nachbar
Collins

btw SWilliams committed three fouls on DHoward in one minute in the first quarter. Williams can play well against KG because Williams has more muscle mass than KG, but not against the manbeast in Howard.

anyway, with that starting lineup, the scouting report simply becomes

1) get back on transition defense
2) pack the paint and dare the Nets to shoot

well.... it worked to perfection. Kidd and RJ combined 8-33 with a sleuth of missed layups (nothing to do with refs. just good collapsing defense whenever there is Nets penetration)

moreover, Nachbar and Wright and spot up shooters. when you force them to put the ball on the floor, they tend to miss.


so all in all, the Nets still play hard on defense and fight for every loose ball, but comon.. look at the roster that played last night. offensively, they are no better than the Hawks.

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Old 11-17-2007, 11:39 AM   #27
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He has great anticipation on both ends of the floor.
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Old 11-17-2007, 12:31 PM   #28
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so all in all, the Nets still play hard on defense and fight for every loose ball, but comon.. look at the roster that played last night. offensively, they are no better than the Hawks.

Well, if a team loses two of their top scorers (VC and a not-ready-to-play Krstic), then a team will struggle offensively.

The big disappointment? Wright. I figured with VC out, he would become a 15-20 point scorer. The guy just disappears. I don't get it....

Nachbar was very aggressive last night. He can drive to the hoop very well.
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Old 11-17-2007, 12:34 PM   #29
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Well, if a team loses two of their top scorers (VC and a not-ready-to-play Krstic), then a team will struggle offensively.

The big disappointment? Wright. I figured with VC out, he would become a 15-20 point scorer. The guy just disappears. I don't get it....

Nachbar was very aggressive last night. He can drive to the hoop very well.



Wright is simply not that good.

He's an excellent spot up shooter from midrange or 3 and can take advantage of the baseline if the interior defense does not stop him, he's also a heady and willing defender...


but he cannot create on his own, his passing is average at best, he cannot handle very well, and well... yeah..


same with nachbar. given an open lane, Nachbar can drivein and dunk with the best of them. and he's an excellent spot up shooter.


but put a guy on him and he suddenly becomes another average Joe.


last season, Carter ran isos and pick and rolls most of the time and the double downs and collapsing defense let a camping Nachbar and Wright take advantage all day long


this new motion offense has so far only really benefitted Richard Jefferson who is brimming with energy, runs off screens, and curls to the basket all day long.
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Old 11-17-2007, 12:37 PM   #30
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Frank is a ****ty ass coach. Tired of him. Get him out of here!
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