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Old 11-15-2007, 01:45 AM   #1
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Default Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

Now this thread is for older posters that watched the NBA and Michael Jordan, especially in the late 90s.

All the Kobe trade talk has got me thinking. He's considered the best player in the game, yet there are certain players like Tim Duncan, Lebron James, Kevin Garnett, Dwayne Wade, Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitski, Kevin Durant that teams wouldn't trade for Kobe.

Michael Jordan was so great and profitable, that even when he was 33-35 in the second three peat, its hard to think that any team back then wouldn't have offered there best player for him, no matter how good there team was already or how young there best player was.

So if the Bulls and Jordan were looking for a trade back then, similar to how the Lakers and Kobe are now, do you think any players of that era would've been off limits? Do you think any good team or young team would've gutted their whole roster for MJ? For example, would the Magic have offered Shaq, who was considered already the most dominant force in the NBA and in his mid-20s, for Jordan? Would the Pistons have offered Grant Hill, who was considered the next great perimeter player and in his early 20s, for Jordan? Would the Jazz have traded Karl Malone, and forget the chemistry he had with Jazz specifically Stockton, for Jordan? Would the Sixers have traded Allen Iverson, Jerry Stackhouse, +filler for Jordan?

This is by no means a Kobe vs. Jordan thread. Its more like a thread comparing the worth of the best player today to the best player in the 90s.
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:48 AM   #2
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

when jordan was older, trading wasn't in mind because they were winning

when jordan was younger... no need to explain
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Old 11-15-2007, 01:53 AM   #3
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MJ was almost traded for Fat Lever in 86.
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

There were rumors pre 88 but after that he was making too much money for the team for it to be considered. Pippen was shopped a few times but Jordan wasnt. If so it never got out.
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:03 AM   #5
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

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when jordan was older, trading wasn't in mind because they were winning

when jordan was younger... no need to explain

Im saying hypothetically speaking. Lets say in the late 90s the feud between Jordan and Krause got so ugly, that they mutually decided he should be traded?
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:09 AM   #6
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Im saying hypothetically speaking. Lets say in the late 90s the feud between Jordan and Krause got so ugly, that they mutually decided he should be traded?
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-Jordan to Toronto for Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter
-Jordan to LA for Eddie Jones, Kobe Bryant
-Jordan to Phoenix for Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Michael Finley
-Jordan to Philadelphia for Jerry Stackhouse, Allen Iverson
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

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Im saying hypothetically speaking. Lets say in the late 90s the feud between Jordan and Krause got so ugly, that they mutually decided he should be traded?

In late 90s, MJ would've simply retired.
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:27 AM   #8
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

I'm not sure alot of you are getting my main question. Basically, if the Bulls were looking to trade MJ in late 90s, do you think there would be any players around the league back then that wouldve been off limits in a trade like there is now with the Kobe trade talks, especially since he was 33-35 years old? Would Shaq be off limits? Grant Hil? Karl Malone? Penny Hardaway? Kevin Garnett? Kobe Bryant? Tim Duncan? David Robinson? Gary Payton? Allen Iverson? etc.
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

I remember an SI story with him in a Knicks uniform, but I think that involved opting out of a contract or something. Like LeBron today, there was talk of MJ making more money for himself and his business ventures in NYC.
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:42 AM   #10
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

U gotta remember that the salary cap, average player salaries and the CBA were a COMPLETELY different situation than it is now.
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:22 AM   #11
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

no. except maybe when he was with the Wizards but in his Bulls years, no
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:36 AM   #12
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

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I'm not sure alot of you are getting my main question. Basically, if the Bulls were looking to trade MJ in late 90s, do you think there would be any players around the league back then that wouldve been off limits in a trade like there is now with the Kobe trade talks, especially since he was 33-35 years old? Would Shaq be off limits? Grant Hil? Karl Malone? Penny Hardaway? Kevin Garnett? Kobe Bryant? Tim Duncan? David Robinson? Gary Payton? Allen Iverson? etc.

All the players in the league would've been off limits. Why? Salaries.

MJ was signed to what is probably the most ludicrous contract in the history of the league. Starting in 96-97, he was getting 30 million a year. The Bulls' payroll was 58 million. He was more than half of that.

Only 7 other teams in the league had a payroll of more than 30 million, and most of those just barely. Utah Jazz entire payroll was 25 million. There's no one you could trade for him to make the contracts match.
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Old 11-15-2007, 03:51 AM   #13
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

Oh, and since someone will bring up MJ before he was signed to the obscene contract, let's discuss the other extreme.

Before he signed the 30 million contract in 1996, MJ was ridiculously undervalued. In the last year of his old contract, he made 3.8 million a year. Compare this to Ewing, who was getting 18.7 million, or Shawn Bradley(!!!) who was making 4.3 million.

During that time, Jordan was basically untradeble, because there was no way for any team to put together a package of players(or send a single player) worth 3.8 million that would be even remotely fair to the Bulls. Let us take a stroll down memory lane and look at some of the players who made between 3.0 and 4.0 million that year:

Dee Brown
Billy Owens
Kenny Anderson
Kendal Gill
Tyrone Hill
Rik Smits
Benoit Benjamin
Christian Laettner
Rony Seikali
Stanley Roberts
Loy Vaught
Wayman Tisdale
Harvey Grant
Frank Brickowski
and last, but not least, everyone's favourite....Chris Dudley

The only potential trade that was even remotely outside the realm of science fiction would've been for Karl Malone. He made 3.6 million that year. And even that is very unrealistic.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:20 AM   #14
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Default Re: Was Michael Jordan ever tradeable?

jordon wasn't tradable in his 30s because his team was winning, the same way you can't trade Tim Duncan right now no matter what's being offered.

had his team been losing (and he signed a multiyear contract, something he never did during the second threepeat => he could have left as FA every summer) it would have been a possibility but he would face the same problems Kobe's facing:
- why he's not winning now? how can we avoid replicating the same situation in the new team?
- what players can we send back to make the salary match AND offer fair value?

jordon was considered the best because he was winning, without that he wouldn't have had the same trade value. Imagine the Sonics winning it all in 96 and the Bulls with Rodman in jail, Pippen injured and Kukoc AWOL to be back in Croatia eliminated in 1st round... would you ever trade Finals MVP Gary Payton for jordon?
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-Jordan to Toronto for Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter


i thought it was Pippen that was offered for the two..
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