Do people understand that Garnett has always been better as a player than Duncan?

[Pharoh]

People on this board are too narrow minded. Winning is important but there are more to it than just that. I never discredited Duncan for having great casts, he is arguably a top 10 player of all time.

Try to analyze the players as players though. What is it that Duncan really does do that is that much better than Garnett? What skill does Duncan posses that makes him much better than Garnett as basketball player?

Duncan stepped in into a #1 management. They do literaly everything right. They target rebounding and defense and know exactly how to build around him. Thats great, not discrediting Duncan but lets not turn around and point at Garnett for failing and conclude from that the gap between them is earth and sky.

[Da KO King]

Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan are the same guy.

Only difference is that Kevin has played on crappy teams for crappy coaches and Tim has played on excellent teams with an excellent coach.

[VCMVP1551]

The only thing similar between Duncan and Garnett is that they both average 20 and 10.

[SsKSpurs21]

Originally Posted by tmac2yao

Are you taking into account KG's stats his first one or two years? When he was just coming out of high school and got limited minutes? Because then it would incorrectly deflate his stats. It's hard to believe that Duncan has better rebounding averages than KG, not to say KG is obviously a superior rebounder, but you shouldn't use his earlier years to compare with Duncan.

so when it comes to teammates and all that, you penalize duncan...BUT now you want it to be fair for KG so you want his first two years taken out of the equation..why must we always take this into account and take that into account for KG but then discredit it when it goes for Duncan?

[Knoe Itawl]

Originally Posted by Pharoh

People on this board are too narrow minded. Winning is important but there are more to it than just that. I never discredited Duncan for having great casts, he is arguably a top 10 player of all time.

Try to analyze the players as players though. What is it that Duncan really does do that is that much better than Garnett? What skill does Duncan posses that makes him much better than Garnett as basketball player?

Duncan stepped in into a #1 management. They do literaly everything right. They target rebounding and defense and know exactly how to build around him. Thats great, not discrediting Duncan but lets not turn around and point at Garnett for failing and conclude from that the gap between them is earth and sky.

You just can't get it through your head that Duncan is the more dominant post player, both on offense and the fact that he anchors the defense in the paint. As such, Duncan's value to a team >> KG's. He's also proven to be the more clutch performer.

I mean, are you saying that we can argue Stockton is actually better than Magic because he played on better teams? People have gotten too crazy with this "it's his team! it's his team! stuff as if it isn't possible for a superstar player on a good team to be better than another superstar player on a team that's not as great.

Also, as has been pointed out over and over again, the level of Duncan's teams has been way overstated in how good they actually were. He's had solid surrounding casts but people act as if his team resembled the 80s Celtics or something. Robinson was past his prime when they won the FIRST title, much less the second. The second one, Robinson was a bit player and Manu and Parker were still unseasoned. It couldn't be that these teams do so well BECAUSE of Duncan. Nah, just swap him and KG and it's just the same, right?

[RidonKs]

Originally Posted by Da KO King

Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan are the same guy.

Only difference is that Kevin has played on crappy teams for crappy coaches and Tim has played on excellent teams with an excellent coach.

I don't agree with that. Unless by 'the same guy' you mean 'the same level player'. There games aren't all that alike, defensively or offensively.

[EricForman]

Originally Posted by Da KO King

Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan are the same guy.

Only difference is that Kevin has played on crappy teams for crappy coaches and Tim has played on excellent teams with an excellent coach.

So are Kobe and Tmac the same guy but Kobe got Shaq?

Are Hakeem and Ewing the same guy but Hakeem had a better cast?

After everything Duncan has done when it mattered, from the near quad double in title clincher of 03 to the 40 15 he dropped in game 7 vs Mavs last year to getting nearly 10 blocks and stopping probably 30 points in the paint in the clinching game vs Suns this year, how in the f**** can you say they are the same guy and Duncan has only been about 25 times more sucessful SOLELY because he got lucky and went to a good team??


And for the record, if you go by pure talent, Duncan never had as much talent around him as guys like Dirk, Kobe, Nash has had, and probably not as much as what KG had in 04 or what Iverson has currently. You guys are making these BS "Duncan has a great cast" claims without looking deeper. In 03, Duncan won with an aging Robinson who was like a 13 and 10 guy and rookie Ginobili on a bad ankle. Tony Parker was so raw then he got benched in the 4th quarter in favor of Speedy Claxton. In 04 when DRob retired the Spurs were supposed to be in rebuilding mode that year and still won 54 games and were a contender. Duncan has won no less than 52 games EVERY YEAR OF HIS CAREER despite 2007 being the only year you can say he has "two all star caliber" players around him (Parker wasn't All Star caliber in 05 and neither him and Manu were in 03).


So really, you guys dismissing Duncan because "he has a great cast" is the second weakest argument on ISH behind the Kobe fans trying to close the gap between him and Jordan.

[Knoe Itawl]

What Eric said. It's one thing to make an argument using reasonable claims. But the "Duncan's supporting cast!!!!" claim is one of the worst basketball arguments I've everh heard, and just shows some kind of biased agenda against Duncan. It just doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

[KULLS]

At the concept of this thread.

Kids, everyone knows KG is good in this WEAK era, therefore has inflated stats. Put him in the 80s... let's just say he won't be a top 3 PF in the game.


Tim Duncan is the only "star" player today that plays with a heart to win.

Duncan>Garnett