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Old 09-04-2007, 02:55 AM   #46
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Default Re: Why are you people so shocked to discover that Lebron is really good?

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The reason nobody hears a peep out of Mavs fans is because next to nobody saw or gave a damn about the game. That plus the fact so many of the bandwaggon Mavs fans have not been seen since the first round of the playoffs ended.


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Old 09-04-2007, 02:56 AM   #47
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The reason nobody hears a peep out of Mavs fans is because next to nobody saw or gave a damn about the game. That plus the fact so many of the bandwaggon Mavs fans have not been seen since the first round of the playoffs ended.

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Old 09-04-2007, 03:09 AM   #48
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i dont know if you guys knew this but...the 3 point line is shorter

So instead of a 3-point shot going for him he has a midrange game now? Sweet.
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:14 AM   #49
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I hope you're not considering a career where logic plays a role in your job.
If GSW disagreed they wouldn't have employed the Nowitzki rules of doubling and tripling him whenever he had the ball and making the other Mavericks beat them. If they disagreed, they would have left him wide open and focused on guarding Josh Howard, Jason Terry etc but they didn't, because they obviously knew that shutting down Dirk and making the other guys beat them was the only way to beat Dallas. They obviously knew that Josh Howard and jason terry could only muster up at best 20ppg even while being completely wide open most of the time.

Oh boy, here we go again...as if Dirk didnt get the same attention other superstars get.
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:35 AM   #50
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Default Re: Why are you people so shocked to discover that Lebron is really good?

I have to admit when he came into the league I predicted Carmello being a much better NBA player but Lebron is the man. I thought he was overhyped but he has lived up to the hype and then some. I really appreciate his game and if I had a choice of the big three in his class, I would take him in a heartbeat. He is playing at such a high level for his age and with that great work ethic he will definately improve.
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Old 09-04-2007, 07:09 AM   #51
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i dont know if you guys knew this but...the 3 point line is shorter

International 3 point line has ALWAYS been closer than the NBA three. Back in the 90's, the standard was 23' 9" for an NBA three AT ITS DEEPEST, meaning it wasn't a circular line, it was actually deeper in some spots. The international line was 22" all the way around, an even circle.

The NBA tried moving the line to the international spot, and suddenly guys like Terry Mills, Cliff Robinson, etc. were threats from outside.

I believe they moved it back out after a few seasons.

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Old 09-04-2007, 07:48 AM   #52
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Default Re: Why are you people so shocked to discover that Lebron is really good?

Because imo he overshadowed Kobe in Team USA....
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:03 AM   #53
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I think its fair to say he is no Michael Redd.
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:19 AM   #54
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Then you have people with certain agendas who really could care less about the truth as long as they can use negativity against a player they dislike.

No irony there at all. No sir.

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Old 09-04-2007, 10:11 AM   #55
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Geewiz,

good post.

I think it's because alot of cats on ISH have short term memory and they like to blow things to huge levels after one or two games.

Example, when a team starts the season hot, after like say, 7 games. Threads on ISH starts popping up about them being the best in the league and they're locked for the title. Or if someone gets outplayed by someone once, suddenly they're trash.

What happened to Lebron was he faced a monster defensive team in the Spurs, and he had a crap supporting cast, so he shot really bad in the Finals, and suddenly everyone exaggerated and thinks Lebron has like Shaquille Oneal/Dwight Howard shooting range.

Kinda like how so many people on ISH labels Dirk a career choker and all that based off the fact the Heat came back from 0-2 to beat his team (the choking labels were there before the golden state series this year), even though Dirk has more playoffs success as the #1 man than anyone else in the league not named Duncan/Shaq. Even though Dirk has had more playoff success than probably Iverson, KG, Pierce, Arenas, Vince Carter, Tmac, combined. (ok maybe not combined but Dirk has more than all of those guys signficantly)

People on ISH just jump to conclusions and blow things up.
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Old 09-04-2007, 10:51 AM   #56
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Kinda like how so many people on ISH labels Dirk a career choker and all that based off the fact the Heat came back from 0-2 to beat his team (the choking labels were there before the golden state series this year), even though Dirk has more playoffs success as the #1 man than anyone else in the league not named Duncan/Shaq. Even though Dirk has had more playoff success than probably Iverson, KG, Pierce, Arenas, Vince Carter, Tmac, combined. (ok maybe not combined but Dirk has more than all of those guys signficantly)
Iverson made the Finals too, and he didn't choke like a dog when he got there.
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Old 09-04-2007, 10:59 AM   #57
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To reply to my own post, Cleveland really should plan for the 2010 offeason. It's a fact that they won't be good before then, so they should just sign role players to two and three year deals, and have absolutely nothing on the books past then. Lebron will only be 26/27 at that point, and they can take a shot at aquiring Dwyane Wade or Bosh (didn't they sign identical contracts to Lebron with an opt out that year?). How did they back themselves into this corner?

The dangerous part of that plan is that Lebron becomes unrestricted at that time. If a big media market has the cap space available, I'd expect him to move on. Of course, clearing cap space would still be a good idea in that scenario as well.
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:00 AM   #58
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Iverson made the Finals too, and he didn't choke like a dog when he got there.

1: Dirk didn't choke in the finals, he choked against GS though.

2: The finals run was impressive. Too bad every other year Iverson gone out in the first round or got pounded in a one sided second round series. Dirk has more playoffs success than Iverson, that's that.

BTW, I specifically explained why Dirk didn't really choke against Heat in a post with detailed backings, and not one person replied to dispute.... instead they went around that post and continue to call Dirk a choker.. I mean go ahead, I'm not even a Dirk fan, but it's just how ISH is.
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Old 09-04-2007, 12:27 PM   #59
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after the finals where he went 3-27 outside the paint, who would expect this much improvemt in so little time???
no. no no no you're completely missing the point.

your post suggest that Lebron's Finals performance is his median play. and it's obviously not. he got shut down by one of the greatest defenses ever and had no help whatsoever from his teammates. and he was cold.

he didn't improve- his Finals performance was an anomaly. compare his Finals performance with what he did the rest of the playoffs, and the last 2 years. I'll take 2 years of good play vs. one series against a great defense any day as far as judging a player goes.
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