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Old 08-10-2007, 06:55 PM   #16
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It's sort of bullsh*t that the Titans can dictate how he earns money. I fully understand that he's signed to a contract that prohibits dangerous activity, but if the Titans aren't holding up their end of the agreement to pay him (even though it's due to a suspension) then where's his obligation to stick to the contract?

The comprimise here would be to pay pacman his signing bonus (the guaranteed portion of his contract) for the year. That way he wont risk injury and he'll still be able to earn a living but it wont be his entire yearly salary.
The contract has a morality clause in it, so the Titans ARE holding up their end of the contract.
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Old 08-10-2007, 07:08 PM   #17
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they had this debate in the best damn sports show period... and Rose was the only one that said he should just sit at home, but everyone else said he should go through with the TNA... which I also think he should do... it's not even about making a living or anything... to me, this would keep him busy, and people will atleast know where he is and it will keep him out of trouble...
yep, its been widely noted that professional wrestling locker rooms are trouble free zones.
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Old 08-10-2007, 07:14 PM   #18
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they had this debate in the best damn sports show period... and Rose was the only one that said he should just sit at home, but everyone else said he should go through with the TNA... which I also think he should do... it's not even about making a living or anything... to me, this would keep him busy, and people will atleast know where he is and it will keep him out of trouble...

He got in trouble when he was an NFL player. How does wrestling keep him out of trouble? Oh it doesnt.
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Old 08-10-2007, 07:17 PM   #19
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well by the NFL/Titans not allowing him to join TNA, they're acting childish and more like they don't even care if Pacman gets in trouble or not... you're not gonna let him be his own man and you don't want to know his whereabouts, thats highly hypocritical of the Titans and the league, let him participate in the TNA...


Am I reading your argument right? He's a grown f*cking man, not a child. He shouldn't be able to get his way, just because it'll "keep him out of trouble." Are you kidding me?
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He got in trouble when he was an NFL player. How does wrestling keep him out of trouble? Oh it doesnt.

oh but it does... atleast for the times when he is involved in wrestling related activities with TNA... cause he will actually be with the TNA (for the alloted times) and he won't be at a strip-club looking for a grub...
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Am I reading your argument right? He's a grown f*cking man, not a child. He shouldn't be able to get his way, just because it'll "keep him out of trouble." Are you kidding me?

well if he is a grown man, shouldn't he have the choice to do what he pleases? If you say he lost his right or something like that, then that's having double standards... how can you say be accountable for what you do and not let him do what he pleases...
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Old 08-10-2007, 07:45 PM   #22
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oh but it does... atleast for the times when he is involved in wrestling related activities with TNA... cause he will actually be with the TNA (for the alloted times) and he won't be at a strip-club looking for a grub...

And when Pacman isnt "wrestling" involved in sideshow shenanigans then what? He's not wrestling 24/7, 365. Sorry he has idle time, free time, down time...whatever you call it. Pacman Jones can get involved in numerous things other than wrestling that would occupy his time.

Doesnt mean he wont get in trouble. Same guy who was at a strip club before he met the commish because he wanted to eat. His name should be Stupid Jones not Pacman.

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well if he is a grown man, shouldn't he have the choice to do what he pleases? If you say he lost his right or something like that, then that's having double standards... how can you say be accountable for what you do and not let him do what he pleases...

The fact that he has to be monitored, has to keep himself involved to stay out of trouble exposes an immature adult. He is a grown man no doubt but he neglects responsibilities. He has got his way his entire life...and guess what? It hasnt worked. He is suspended for a year from the NFL. Now its time for him to start doing the RIGHT thing which is not putting yourself in position to terminate a contract that you reaped financial benefits from (collected over $10mil in bonus in the span of 2yrs). You're gonna throw away your NFL contract because you wanna do things YOUR way. Sorry grown man or not even his close friends told him he was F8cking up. His mom told him. And Pacman didnt LISTEN.

Whyt would he even THINK ABOUT wrestling knowing the stipulations in his contract? Oh wait he didnt read his contract. Thats probably why.
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And when Pacman isnt "wrestling" involved in sideshow shenanigans then what? He's not wrestling 24/7, 365. Sorry he has idle time, free time, down time...whatever you call it. Pacman Jones can get involved in numerous things other than wrestling that would occupy his time.

Doesnt mean he wont get in trouble. Same guy who was at a strip club before he met the commish because he wanted to eat. His name should be Stupid Jones not Pacman.

okay, but I'm saying TNA does occupy him, so for atleast that time, you know where he is...



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The fact that he has to be monitored, has to keep himself involved to stay out of trouble exposes an immature adult. He is a grown man no doubt but he neglects responsibilities. He has got his way his entire life...and guess what? It hasnt worked. He is suspended for a year from the NFL. Now its time for him to start doing the RIGHT thing which is not putting yourself in position to terminate a contract that you reaped financial benefits from (collected over $10mil in bonus in the span of 2yrs). You're gonna throw away your NFL contract because you wanna do things YOUR way. Sorry grown man or not even his close friends told him he was F8cking up. His mom told him. And Pacman didnt LISTEN.

Whyt would he even THINK ABOUT wrestling knowing the stipulations in his contract? Oh wait he didnt read his contract. Thats probably why.

Maybe he didn't read his contract, but I think this maybe a thing he can fallback on if he is banned from the NFL (for life)/or nobody wants him because of that extra baggage (which people believe will eventually happen)... so to take away that opportunity sounds wrong to me...
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Old 08-10-2007, 07:57 PM   #25
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He got in trouble when he was an NFL player. How does wrestling keep him out of trouble? Oh it doesnt.
I see where he is coming from. Currently, he isn't getting paid, so when he signs(ed) with TNA it would make up for the (lack of ) moola in pocket. What do you think this guy is going to do without a legitimate resource of income? I don't think it would turn out to well.
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I see where he is coming from. Currently, he isn't getting paid, so when he signs(ed) with TNA it would make up for the (lack of ) moola in pocket. What do you think this guy is going to do without a legitimate resource of income? I don't think it would turn out to well.

Lots of ways to earn an income. Why would he choose one that is a threat to his contract? He KNEW the consequences of this. His stupidity and I do what i want attitude is my problem. I understand he wants to make some money because he didnt invest, didnt think about his career being taken away temporarily but why would you do something that would violate your contract? Just answer me that one man. Then ask yourself what could he have been thinking when he flirted with the idea of being apart of a wrestling league.
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Old 08-10-2007, 09:04 PM   #27
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Getting a restraining order is dumb. IF he gets hurt, Ten can terminate his contract and it's a wrap. They shouldn't get any money BACK. Why would they? They've only paid him for the services that he's already provided. You can't take back the defense that he played for them last year or the special teams play, so they just shouldn't have to pay him in the future IF he gets hurt. And before you go talking about signing bonus money, if you're gonna talk about accountability, teams shouldn't give players that signing bonus money unless they're sold on the player. Signing bonuses should be NON-REFUNDABLE. If you're scared to give it, don't. If you pay it, STFU.

This just shows how poorly our legal system is run. So many dumbazz and frugal lawsuits. This is damn taxpayer money going to waste to have a judge deciding whether a grown azz man can participate in a wrestling event or not. Whether you like him or not, Pacman ISN'T the property of the Titans, only his football playing rights are. If they don't like it, release him or threaten to put him in the inactive list even after his suspension. Chances are he'd still do TNA anyway and the Titans would be happy to get him back after his suspension.
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Not shocked but it is really stupid. The Titans aren't going into bat for him, arent supporting him at all and now they want to tell him he cant go and earn money elsewhere because the league has decided that he isnt eligible to be paid as a footballer?

Stupid rules just compounding on themselves to get Stern like in the stupidity of them...
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Getting a restraining order is dumb. IF he gets hurt, Ten can terminate his contract and it's a wrap. They shouldn't get any money BACK. Why would they? They've only paid him for the services that he's already provided. You can't take back the defense that he played for them last year or the special teams play, so they just shouldn't have to pay him in the future IF he gets hurt. And before you go talking about signing bonus money, if you're gonna talk about accountability, teams shouldn't give players that signing bonus money unless they're sold on the player. Signing bonuses should be NON-REFUNDABLE. If you're scared to give it, don't. If you pay it, STFU.

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This just shows how poorly our legal system is run. So many dumbazz and frugal lawsuits. This is damn taxpayer money going to waste to have a judge deciding whether a grown azz man can participate in a wrestling event or not. Whether you like him or not, Pacman ISN'T the property of the Titans, only his football playing rights are. If they don't like it, release him or threaten to put him in the inactive list even after his suspension. Chances are he'd still do TNA anyway and the Titans would be happy to get him back after his suspension.

Maybe you're not quite aware of how contracts are written these days. They go well beyond the scope of the occupation itself. You have to realize that teams invest MILLIONS of dollars in these guys. So to have a few minor clauses in contracts is certainly plausible considering the circumstances. And as far as the contract itself goes, the players know what they are signing and if they don't oblige, then they will have to deal with the repocussions. What do they expect? IT'S A CONTRACT.
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