Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
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Originally Posted by -primetime-
wrong
It's highly debatable. Besides being in the Finals and an MVP, Dirk has nothing to solidify his spot. As somebody else said before, the only current locks that are 100% guaranteed are: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton and Shaquille O'Neal. A lock means you'll 100% guaranteed be there when you retired. That can't be said for Dirk Nowitzki, and many many people agree. "Lock" is too far. "Very likely" is fair.
Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
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Originally Posted by Richie2k6
It's highly debatable. Besides being in the Finals and an MVP, Dirk has nothing to solidify his post. As somebody else said before, the only current locks that are 100% guaranteed are: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton and Shaquille O'Neal. A lock means you'll 100% guaranteed be there when you retired. That can't be said for Dirk Nowitzki, and many many people agree. "Lock" is too far. "Very likely" is fair.
Dirk and Nash are both locks...
and they have both accomplished more than many players on this list already
Dirk takes his team to the playoffs repeatedly year after year, and that is not going to stop anytime soon as long as he stays healthy...if Malone and Stockton are HOFers then so is Dirk...and so is Nash
I will be damned if the NBA can vote someone back to back MVP and then fail to vote them into the HOF...
Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
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Originally Posted by -primetime-
Dirk and Nash are both locks...
and they have both accomplished more than many players on this list already
Dirk takes his team to the playoffs repeatedly year after year, and that is not going to stop anytime soon as long as he stays healthy...if Malone and Stockton are HOFers then so is Dirk...and so is Nash
I will be damned if the NBA can vote someone back to back MVP and then fail to vote them into the HOF...
I'm talking about Dirk not nash. There are plenty of players who can take teams to the playoffs yet still not be HOF worthy when they retire. And don't say Stockton and Malone are HOF'ers, therefore Dirk is. You're better than that.
Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
Wes Unseld
As a player, Wes Unseld seemed to have been chiseled from a block of granite, with a stoic demeanor and an iron resolve to win. A 6-7 bull of a center, he forged his reputation on relentless rebounding, bone-jarring picks, and laser-beam outlet passes. He did all the unspectacular things that led to glamorous victories. The 6-7 Unseld battled bigger centers but retired as the NBA's seventh all-time leading rebounder. He was the league's MVP and Rookie of the Year in 1968-69 and a five-time NBA All-Star who captained the Baltimore and Washington Bullets to four NBA Finals appearances in the 1970s and to a championship in 1977-78.
Unseld's greatest triumph came in 1977-78, when he led the Bullets to their only NBA Championship. It was a true team effort. No Bullets player ranked in the NBA's top 20 in scoring, but the club had six double-figure scorers, led by Hayes (19.7 ppg) and Bob Dandridge (19.3). For the season, Unseld scored 7.6 ppg (ninth on the team) and yanked down 11.9 rpg (10th in the NBA).
During his 13-year NBA career, all with the Bullets, Unseld piled up many accomplishments. He ranked seventh on the league's all-time rebounding list and was one of a handful of players to have tallied at least 10,000 points and 10,000 rebounds for a career. He played 984 games for the Bullets, the most of any player in franchise history. His total of 13,769 boards (14.0 rpg) currently tops the franchise career list, and his 3,822 assists also is a Bullets record.
Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
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Originally Posted by Richie2k6
It's highly debatable. Besides being in the Finals and an MVP, Dirk has nothing to solidify his spot. As somebody else said before, the only current locks that are 100% guaranteed are: Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Jason Kidd, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton and Shaquille O'Neal. A lock means you'll 100% guaranteed be there when you retired. That can't be said for Dirk Nowitzki, and many many people agree. "Lock" is too far. "Very likely" is fair.
Do you really consider 6xAll-Star and 7xAll-NBA-Team NOTHING?
Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
Bill Walton. What he accomplished in such a short period of time, most bigs couldn't do in a career. Barring injury may well have been a top 5 center of all time. His NCAA accomplishments are unquestionable, and how he started his pro career he was very accomplished.
Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
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Originally Posted by hateraid
Bill Walton. What he accomplished in such a short period of time, most bigs couldn't do in a career. Barring injury may well have been a top 5 center of all time. His NCAA accomplishments are unquestionable, and how he started his pro career he was very accomplished.
It is a good look but i think based on the past injury facts he shouldnt be in the running until later on. In his short time as a healthy player he really showed how great he would have been. In his first 4 years in Portland he got and MVP, a Finals MVP, 2 All-Star trips, 2 All-Defense 1st Team, 1 All-NBA 2nd team, and an All-NBA 1st team award. Not to mention his gaudy stats in Portland and the ring he got for winning them a 'ship. He even got a 6th Man of the Year Award in Boston even after a career full of injuries. I really wish i could put him up there with the all time greats because of his incredible talent, skill, and understanding of the game but there were just too many injuries to do that.
Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
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Originally Posted by Agent_Zero
Sam Jones.
He had a spectacular college career at NC Central. Scored 1,770 playing for coach John McLendon. Was a 4 year letter winner and was 3 time all conference. He entered the NBA Draft in 1957, being picked in the first round, by the Boston Celtics. He spent all 12 seasons with the Celts, which shows great dedication.
He was known as a clutch scorer and dropped over 15,000 points in his career. He participated in 5 all star games and is known as the 4th best guard of the 60s behind O, West, and Greer. He was named to the All NBA second team 3 years in a row (1965-1967) and he played on 10 championship teams (1959-1966) and (1968-1969), a total only exceeded by Russell, a teammate of Sam's.
He was said to have a 'perfect' jump shot and was nicknamed "The Shooter". He could run the floor, bang the boards, and cause trouble for defenders with his array of offensive moves. He teamed with KC Jones in Boston to form the Jones Boys and cause havoc to various teams.
His high in scoring for his career was 26 a game during the 1964-1965 season. He owns Boston's fourth highest single game scoring record with 51 vs the Pistons on October 29th, 1965. He scored 2,909 points in 154 playoff games (18.9 ppg), 15th best in history. In 1970 he was named to the NBA's 25th anniversary team. He was named to the Hall of Fame in 1984. And in 1996 he was voted as 1 of the 50 Greatest Players of All Time.
Re: Official #39 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
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Originally Posted by Los Angeles
How is Adrian Dantley not on your mention list?
24.3 PPG on .540 FG for a 6'5 guard is ridiculous...he also averaged 5.7 rebounds per game, 1 SPG and 3 APG.
But his scoring ability should be enough for him to get at least recognized as the 39th best player of all-time. NBA Rookie Of The Year, 6 time All-Star...certainly enough credentials for him to be among those mentioned.
Dominique Wilkins should also be on that ballot...
Adrian Dantley is my vote again.
I'm with you... Offensively, what more could you ask from the guy really. Shooting doesn't get any more efficient for a guy that's 6'5", especially considering he got fouled more than anyone else or was one of the most fouled for many years. He had to hit the shot after being fouled or his shooting percentage would have been much lower. He's tenth all-time in free throws attempted, meaning he got fouled a ton on the shot, and still managed to score.
He's truly been forgotten for the great player he was, and never really got as much respect as he deserved at the time either, he wasn't a media savvy guy, wasn't flashy, played in the smallest market in the league for half his career, and as he said... had, and still has, a few enemies out there. I think if he would have stayed with only one team his whole career he would have gotten a lot more recognition today.
Coach Dantley 04/06 "When I played, I was conscious to make sure I took good shots, shared the ball and had a good shooting percentage. Today it's common to see the shooting without conscience."
Nique, should start to be considered, although he shot only 46% from the field, but his name should start to come up. Alex English should continue to be considered too. MVP's don't define entire careers, nor do championships. A lot of guys finish #2, but do it for a long long time, versus someone's who get 1 MVP or is on a TEAM that wins 1 championship, but only stays at that level for a short while, but people just focus on the mvp and ring and often over-rate the rest of the career.
I honestly can't rate a lot of the guys before the 80's, so I don't fault people for voting for them, although, I don't know how others can judge them either, and their stats are usually a little unspectacular, with 15 ppg averages, and inflated rebound stats, as we know rebounds were easy to come by, and we know there were not as many teams or players, so everyone's odds of winning it all went up. But whatever... I can't judge those guys, I'll leave it to the rest of you. I don't really think there were many of them that were better than today's players when judging them overall, and it was a very different game back then too.
Last edited by Chalkmaze : 07-31-2007 at 04:40 AM.
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