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Old 06-19-2007, 04:52 PM   #31
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Who else is the GOAT? Byron Houston?Joe Forte? Michael Olowakandi?Sam Bowie?Gheorge Muresan? whoever ur thinking he's not, there's only one GOAT and that is MJ.
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Old 06-19-2007, 04:58 PM   #32
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Not really. He's more of the exception to the rule, more than anything.

Which, IMO, adds to his greatness because he did it SIX TIMES, as a 6'6 guard.

Magic - had a dominant low post presence
Bird - had a dominant low post presence
Wilt - was a dominant low post presence
Kareem - ditto
Shaq - ditto
Hakeem - ditto

etc. etc.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:05 PM   #33
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Magic is the GOAT in my book. Mike may have been the more dominant individual player. But Magic is a great individual player in his own right and I think is more important to a team


We share the similar view here I believe that itís a toss up between MJ and Magic. Like you said MJ may have been the more dominant individual player But Magic is a great individual player in his own right and I think is more important to a team. That can be proven when watching Magic put the team on his shoulders as a rookie and led them to a championship playing all 5 positions on the floor (thatís unheard of) The one thing I always wonder is would Magic have passed MJ in rings if he didnít have to retire early due to AIDS. Donít get me wrong I love MJ he was amazing 1 in a million but I think to say he was outright the best ever is going a bit far when there have been players like Russell, Wilt, West, Magic all amazing players.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:15 PM   #34
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Magic is the most overrated crap I've ever seen and this from a Lakers fan.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:17 PM   #35
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Magic is the most overrated crap I've ever seen and this from a Lakers fan.

??? why do you think he's overrated?

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Old 06-19-2007, 05:21 PM   #36
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Which, IMO, adds to his greatness because he did it SIX TIMES, as a 6'6 guard.

Magic - had a dominant low post presence
Bird - had a dominant low post presence
Wilt - was a dominant low post presence
Kareem - ditto
Shaq - ditto
Hakeem - ditto

etc. etc.

And I agree with that. I don't think the mold's been broken though until it's done by more than one guy
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Magic is the most overrated crap I've ever seen and this from a Lakers fan.


Magic overrated there is not much to say to such a baseless comment other than he was 100x the player/teammate than Kobe could ever strive to be
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why do you think he's overrated?

He didn't score, man! Actually, not even a single player on these Lakers could score. Not even a single 30+ ppg season or a 50+ pt game by any of their players, now that's weak!
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He didn't score, man! Actually, not even a single player on these Lakers could score. Not even a single 30+ ppg season or a 50+ pt game by any of their players, now that's weak!
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Oh hey man you have totally convinced me! weak indeed!
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He didn't score, man! Actually, not even a single player on these Lakers could score. Not even a single 30+ ppg season or a 50+ pt game by any of their players, now that's weak!
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Dam your right that lazy SOB Magic never had an 81 point game what a loser
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Dam your right that lazy SOB Magic never had an 81 point game what a loser

Absolute! He sux! And the Lakers, too! And I'm a Laker fan for 60 years!
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What a dumb idea for a thread.

What the hell were you thinking?

Mark this one for 50+ pages.
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Old 06-19-2007, 10:17 PM   #43
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Not really. He's more of the exception to the rule, more than anything.

The rule is such bullsh*t that there's no exception needed.

There have been plenty of great teams with no great big men, who have made it to the finals and come relatively close (No, Im not counting the debacle that is the 2007 Cavaliers). The early 90s Blazers, the 91 Lakers not to mention the Pistons who won the damn thing. You can even argue that the current Pistons are led by the consistency of their perimeter guys and Sheed is a role player (which is true whether the

Thing is all championship teams have great balance on the perimeter and interior. It is certainly EASIER to find the good guards to support the great bigs than it is to find the good interior players like a Horace Grant, Sheed, a guy like Rik Smits even combined with GREAT perimeter talent could've been enough to win a title.

Point is all these "necessary" bigs that led teams to titles had great perimeter player whether in the form of a great perimeter player or a group of very good fringe allstar perimeter guys. Just like the perimeter led ones had good big men.

Both the interior and perimeter have to be strong. Just like great teams need good outside shooting to spread the floor and good defense.
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We will never know, and there is no use arguing it.



Then why do people argue whether or not Kobe would have averaged 34 ppg with hand checking?
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The rule is such bullsh*t that there's no exception needed.

There have been plenty of great teams with no great big men, who have made it to the finals and come relatively close (No, Im not counting the debacle that is the 2007 Cavaliers). The early 90s Blazers, the 91 Lakers not to mention the Pistons who won the damn thing. You can even argue that the current Pistons are led by the consistency of their perimeter guys and Sheed is a role player (which is true whether the

Thing is all championship teams have great balance on the perimeter and interior. It is certainly EASIER to find the good guards to support the great bigs than it is to find the good interior players like a Horace Grant, Sheed, a guy like Rik Smits even combined with GREAT perimeter talent could've been enough to win a title.

Point is all these "necessary" bigs that led teams to titles had great perimeter player whether in the form of a great perimeter player or a group of very good fringe allstar perimeter guys. Just like the perimeter led ones had good big men.

Both the interior and perimeter have to be strong. Just like great teams need good outside shooting to spread the floor and good defense.

There was only one other team in history based on the "dominant star" model which won a championship, and that was Rick Barry's Warriors. They won once. The only other teams who won rings without a dominant big man (the Bad Boy Pistons and the '04 Pistons) are based on the "many stars" model, even though Isiah was clearly the best player on that team. They had 6 guys between 14-18.5 ppg -- that's balance. And the Bad Boys were getting 14/10 from Laimbeer anyway, which is about double what the Bulls got from Cartwright/Longley.

The '04 Pistons featured dominant defensive and rebounding big men and were clearly based on the "sum of many parts" model. And even the Blazers team that reached the Finals in '90 was loaded, despite Clyde being the best player: they had 3 players averaging 20+ ppg in the postseason (Drexler, Porter, and Kersey), and another two at 13+ ppg (Williams, Duckworth). And again, despite you using them as an example of a team without a dominant big, even their center (Duckworth) was nearly tripling Cartwright's ppg output during the first three-peat.
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