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Old 06-19-2007, 01:26 PM   #16
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Default Re: Shaq only had 2 Legendary seasons during his career

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The only other "legendary seasons" in the last 10 years or so other than Shaq's were (off the top of my head).

KG's 24/15/6
Kobe's 36/6/5
Bron's 31/7/7

Do I miss any?

Garnett's season was excellent. If you take everything into account (efficiency, turnovers etc. ) TMac's 2003 season was significantly better than Kobe and Lebron's. In fact, it was as close a season to a typical Jordan season by a wingman.
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:33 PM   #17
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yeah, I forgot about Tmac. But it wasn't significantly, if any, better than Kobe's and Brons.
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Old 06-19-2007, 01:54 PM   #18
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yeah, I forgot about Tmac. But it wasn't significantly, if any, better than Kobe's and Brons.

Tmac played 39.4mpg, Kobe played 41.0mpg. Thus, we have an excellent situation to compare PER 40 stats.


RB-- AST --STL- BLK-- TO -- PTS
6.6---5.6---1.7---0.8---2.6---32.6
5.2---4.4---1.8---0.4---3.1---34.6

TMac is significantly better at every category other than scoring. Kobe's only marginally better at steals.

TMac shot .467 whille Kobe .450%. That minimizes the .ppg difference.

There's also the pace factor. Teams play with different paces.

Rebound Rate (rebounds per 100 possessions)

TMac - 9.5 Kobe 7.4. The gap even widens.

Assist rate (assists per 100 possessions)


TMac 15.0 Kobe 11.5 . Huge difference

PER
T-Mac 30.3 Kobe 28.0

T-Mac's season is the highest PER in history not belong to a guy named Jordan, Wilt, Shaq and Robinson.

So, yeah, I say it's significant difference. The same goes for Lebron. They are excellent seasons but TMac's season is better.
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Shaq is one of the most underrated NBA player of all time

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Old 06-19-2007, 02:11 PM   #20
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Default Re: Shaq only had 2 Legendary seasons during his career

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Tmac played 39.4mpg, Kobe played 41.0mpg. Thus, we have an excellent situation to compare PER 40 stats.


RB-- AST --STL- BLK-- TO -- PTS
6.6---5.6---1.7---0.8---2.6---32.6
5.2---4.4---1.8---0.4---3.1---34.6

TMac is significantly better at every category other than scoring. Kobe's only marginally better at steals.

TMac shot .467 whille Kobe .450%. That minimizes the .ppg difference.

There's also the pace factor. Teams play with different paces.

Rebound Rate (rebounds per 100 possessions)

TMac - 9.5 Kobe 7.4. The gap even widens.

Assist rate (assists per 100 possessions)


TMac 15.0 Kobe 11.5 . Huge difference

PER
T-Mac 30.3 Kobe 28.0

T-Mac's season is the highest PER in history not belong to a guy named Jordan, Wilt, Shaq and Robinson.

So, yeah, I say it's significant difference. The same goes for Lebron. They are excellent seasons but TMac's season is better.

T-Mac's peak was better than any swingman currently in the NBA has ever seen.
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Old 06-19-2007, 02:17 PM   #21
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99-00-01-02-03 were 5 seasons in which he was a monster statistically. Between 93-98 he has a few very close to monstrous seasons as well. Other than Jordan only Robinson's peak (statistically) comes close to Shaq.

I guess when you're so dominant, after a period of time people start to take it for granted.

what he said

and speaking of legendary seasons, I must mention 2 years of Magic. Can't decide which one is better:

86-87 23.9/6.3/12.2 52%, 1.73 steals, 3.26 ast/t.o
88-89 22.5/7.9/12.8 51%, 1.79 steals, 3.17 ast/t.o
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Default Re: Shaq only had 2 Legendary seasons during his career

I'm not sure how we've come to the conclusion that Shaq has had only 2 legendary seasons, but I simply can't agree. His rookie season alone was legendary, and he's had a number of other great seasons in addition to the two that were mentioned.
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Old 06-19-2007, 02:28 PM   #23
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Shaq has had more than 2 great year infact every year of his career except this year are great and a lot amazing. He is probably the best player to play in the last 10 years.
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Old 06-19-2007, 02:35 PM   #24
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If Shaq only has 2 legendary seasons then Tim Duncan has none.


Took it out of my mouth. I don't know whether he told this having Duncan in mind, but I've already seen a few Duncan fans writing that "Shaq was dominant only during the 3-peat, while Duncan during his whole career", and that's not too far away from this "3-year dominance" crap.
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If Shaq only has 2 legendary seasons then Tim Duncan has none.



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Old 06-19-2007, 04:13 PM   #26
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T-Mac's peak was better than any swingman currently in the NBA has ever seen.

funny thing is that's probably only 50% of his potential. Dude was just too lazy to give a ****. You KNOW that kobe has given it his all, which is why he's looked upon much more favorably compared to tmac.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:11 PM   #27
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seriously, Shaq averaged 23/14/2 4 blocks 1 steal on 56% shooting his ROOKIE year. That season alone is legendary, especially considering he was a rookie.

His team also won 21 more games. The next year in 93-94. : 29.3 points, 13.2 rebs, 3 blks.

94-95: 29pts, 11.4, 2.5 blks. So at age 21,22, & 23 years old Shaq put up these numbers when Dream, Ewing, D-Rob were all in their prime.

This is when Shaq proved he was great to me. Not the championship years.

He did what he was supposed to do during those years. To put up those numbers as a youngster in that era was already Hall of Fame type stuff.
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Old 06-19-2007, 05:23 PM   #28
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Default Re: Shaq only had 2 Legendary seasons during his career

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Tmac played 39.4mpg, Kobe played 41.0mpg. Thus, we have an excellent situation to compare PER 40 stats.


RB-- AST --STL- BLK-- TO -- PTS
6.6---5.6---1.7---0.8---2.6---32.6
5.2---4.4---1.8---0.4---3.1---34.6

TMac is significantly better at every category other than scoring. Kobe's only marginally better at steals.

TMac shot .467 whille Kobe .450%. That minimizes the .ppg difference.

There's also the pace factor. Teams play with different paces.

Rebound Rate (rebounds per 100 possessions)

TMac - 9.5 Kobe 7.4. The gap even widens.

Assist rate (assists per 100 possessions)


TMac 15.0 Kobe 11.5 . Huge difference

PER
T-Mac 30.3 Kobe 28.0

T-Mac's season is the highest PER in history not belong to a guy named Jordan, Wilt, Shaq and Robinson.

So, yeah, I say it's significant difference. The same goes for Lebron. They are excellent seasons but TMac's season is better.
Mac >> Kobe
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If Shaq only has 2 legendary seasons then Tim Duncan has none.
100% TRUTH.

Tired of Duncan being OVERRATED.
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