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Old 06-19-2007, 01:38 AM   #1
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Default Why Jordan is better than Kobe.

These stats are current up until the start of the 2007-2008 season, Bruce plans on keeping 85% of these stats current.)

(Keep in mind that Kobe has played 784 games and started in 636 so he is way past half way to MJ in total minutes played, MJ played in 1072 games so Kobe really will not catch MJ even by the time he catches MJ's games played with games started.)

Kobe will never catch Jordan, he wont even get close, this is why:

Games with 15+ assists

Air Jordan: 5

Kobe Bryant: 1

Games with 12+ assists

Air Jordan: 26

Kobe Bryant: 12

Games with 10+ assists

Air Jordan: 76

Kobe Bean Bryant: 52

Games with 8+ assists

Air Jordan: 207

Kobe Bean Bryant: 114

Games with 5+ assists

Air Jordan: 587

Kobe Bean Bryant: 353

Games with less than 3 assists

Air Jordan: 150

Kobe Bean Bryant: 188

Games with less than 2 assists

Air Jordan: 51

Kobe Bean Bryant: 105

Games with NO assists

Air Jordan: 7

Kobe Bean Bryant: 47

Games with 15+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 8

Kobe Bean Bryant: 2

Games with 12+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 61

Kobe Bean Bryant: 20

Games with 10+ rebounds

Air Jordan: 151

Kobe Bean Bryant: 70

GOT DEFENSE?

Games with 8+ steals

Air: 12

Kobe: 0

Games with 7+ steals

Air: 18

Kobe: 1

Games with 6+ steals

Air: 47

Kobe: 6

Games with 5+ steals

Air: 110

Kobe: 26

Games with 4+ steals

Air: 235

Kobe: 63

Games with 3+ steals

Air: 460

Kobe: 165

Games with multiple blocks

Air: 220

Kobe: 102

Games with 3+ blocks

Air: 70

Kobe: 22

Games with 4+ blocks

Air: 25

Kobe: 4

Games with less than 4 turnovers

Air: 775

Kobe: 489

Games with less than 3 turnovers

Air: 545

Kobe: 333

Games with less than 2 turnovers

Air: 275

Kobe: 177

Games with NO turnovers

Air: 90

Kobe: 45

Games with 5+ turnovers

Air: 132 (2 out of every 16 games)

Kobe: 147 (3 out of every 16 games)

Games with more turnovers than assists

Air: 144 (13 out of every 100 games)

Kobe: 174 (22 out of every 100 games)

Foul Outs

Air: 7

Kobe: 16

Percentage of points scored on free throws

Michael Jordan: 22.7%

Kobe Bryant: 25.9%

Percentage of points scored on two point field goals

Michael Jordan: 72%

Kobe Bryant: 59%

Three point shot attempts per game

Air Jordan: 1.66

Kobe Bryant: 3.54

Record in games with 30+ shot attempts

Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 31-39 (.443)

Record as team leader

Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 121-125 (.492)

Record, all team games

Michael Air Jordan: 706-366 (.659)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 556-314 (.639)

Postseason as team leader

Air: Missed postseason 0 times in 13 seasons

Bean: Missed postseason 1 time in 3 seasons

How do their teams fare without them?

Team record in games missed

Michael Jordan: 19-49 (.279)

86: 18-43

89: 0-1

92: 0-2

93: 1-3

Even the world champion Bulls suffered 1-5 without their undisputed leader.

Kobe Bryant: 53-33 (.616)

97: 8-3

98: 3-0

00: 12-4

01: 11-3

02: 2-0

The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected by the absence of Kobe.

Also of note: Kobe Bryant tore a championship team apart. Michael Jordan pieced a championship team together. (this is NOT speculation, there is a coverup going on now, anybody with half a decent memory knows what happened)

ACTUAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS

NBA championships

Michael Jordan: 6 in 6 NBA Finals

Kobe Bryant: 3 in 4 NBA Finals

NBA Finals Most Valuable Player awards

Michael Jordan: 6

Kobe Bryant: 0

No one is close to Michael Jordan in NBA Finals MVPs.

Regular season Most Valuable Player awards

Michael Jordan: 5

Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael Jordan was so dominant and valuable to his team that he LOST MVP awards because of it. The league voters were tired of awarding it to the same player, and gave it to Magic Johnson in 1989 and 1990 instead because he had only received MVP once. Jordan is #1 all time in MVP voting, and has 14 combined MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star), the most all time.

All-NBA First Team selections

Michael Jordan: 10

Kobe Bryant: 5

Michael Jordan is tied for #2 all time in All-NBA First Teams behind Karl Malone with 11.

All-Defensive First Team selections

Michael Jordan: 9

Kobe Bryant: 5

Michael Jordan has made more All-Defensive First Teams than any other player in NBA history. This last All-Defensive First Team honor for Kobe was complete bulls***, but whatever.

Defensive Player of the Year awards

Michael Jordan: 1

Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won DPoY. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year.

40 point games

MJ: 173

Kobe: 85

30 point games

MJ: 561

Kobe: 245

20 point games

MJ: 926

Kobe: 520

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Old 06-19-2007, 01:39 AM   #2
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Rookie of the Year

Michael Jordan: Yes

Kobe Bryant: No

In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. He is the only player in NBA history to lead his team in four (of the 5) categories, and obviously the only rookie to do it. Julius Erving did it in the ABA, but never in the NBA. Jordan was 4 blocks away from repeating this feat in 1989.

Michael Jordan led his team in three stats 5 different times, including leading the team in blocks several times. Kobe Bryant has led his team in three categories once in his career.

Career Player Efficiency Rating

Michael Jordan: 27.91

Kobe Bryant: 23.49

What is Player Efficiency Rating? PER is a formula that uses a playerís stats to determine how productive and efficient he is in his time on the court. If you shoot the ball a lot, but donít shoot as well, your rating goes down. If you turn the ball over a lot, your rating goes down. If you are efficient and contribute an all-around game, your rating goes up. Due to factors like shooting percentage, itís almost impossible for a guard to have a very high career rating, like above 25 (Jordan is the only one).

Highest PER Season

Michael Jordan: 31.71

Kobe Bryant: 27.97

All-Rookie First Team

Michael Jordan: Yes

Kobe Bryant: No

Kobe Bryant was voted to the All-Star team his rookie year for some reason, even though he didnít make the All-Rookie First TeamÖ

Olympic Gold Medals

Michael Jordan: 2

Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

All-Star selections

Michael Jordan: 14

Kobe Bryant: 9

Michael Jordan was an All-Star every year he was eligible, including his injury plagued 1986 season. He is #2 all time in NBA All-Star selections behind Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

All-Star Game Most Valuable Player awards

Michael Jordan: 3

Kobe Bryant: 2

Jordanís 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlainís 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997, but did not receive MVP.

Scoring titles

Michael Jordan: 10

Kobe Bryant: 2

Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.

Steals titles

Michael Jordan: 3

Kobe Bryant: 0

Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting percentage:

Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.

Kobe Bryant's games include

10 of the 30 worst

7 of the 15 worst

The 3 worst

#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143

In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

Of every game played since 1986:

Michael Jordan has 13 of top 25 game scores: #1, #4, #6, #6 (ties himself), #11, #16, #16, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #25

Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.

What is Game Score? Game Score is a simple formula that evaluates a playerís individual game performance. All statistics in the box score are summed up, with different weights for different stats, to show how impressive a playerís all-around contribution is.

Kobe Bryant also has:

2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)

2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)

Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.

Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to perform it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.

Michael Jordan was named the 1991 Sportsman of the Year by Sports Illustrated.

Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.

In 1996, Jordan became the second player in NBA history to sweep the MVP awards (regular season, NBA Finals, All-Star Game) after Willis Reed. He would sweep them again in 1998, making him the only player to do it multiple times.

Michael Jordan led the Chicago Bulls to the best regular season and combined regular season and postseason records in NBA history.

Michael Jordan scored in double digits in all but one game as a Chicago Bull out of 1,109 total games.

College awards at North Carolina

1984 ACC Menís Basketball Player of the Year

1984 USBWA College Player of the Year

1984 Naismith College Player of the Year

1984 John R. Wooden Award

1984 Adolph Rupp Trophy

1982 ACC Freshman of the Year

1982 national championship

Game-winning defensive play and shot in the 1982 national championship game against Georgetown

"The Clutch Factor"

Stop saying Kobe Bryant is one of the most clutch players ever.

Please watch film of Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Robert Horry, and how aboutÖ Michael Jordan?

These are approximations because it is difficult to define "clutch". Here we have defined it as shots within the last 24 seconds of a game within 2 points.

Game winning shots

Michael Jordan: 33 out of 58 attempts (56.9%)

Kobe Bryant: 7 out of 32 attempts (21.9%)

Michael Jordan has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest conversion rate in the clutch.

Michael Jordan led countless 4th quarter comebacks in which he singlehandedly won the game throughout his career.

Among Kobeís 32 clutch opportunities, he has yet to pass the ball to another player. He has by far the most end of game situations with no assists of any player in NBA history. He has one of the lowest conversion rates in the clutch.

Game winning shots in the playoffs

Kobe: 5

Jordan: Approximately 15 (it may be more, his early career boxscores are real real hard to find but Sean found 99% of them)

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 100 players all time in assists per game.

Michael Jordan is. Heís #76 in assists per game and #34 in assists.

Michael Jordan is #3 all time in rebounding by a guard (behind Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson).

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 50 players all time in steals per game.

Michael Jordan is. Heís #4 in steals per game and #2 in steals.

Michael Jordan is #1 all time in blocks by a guard.

Kobe Bryant is not among the top 10 players all time in points per game.

Michael Jordan is #1 all time in points per game and #3 in points.

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Games with under 50% shooting

Michael Jordan: 466 (43% of games)

Kobe Bryant: 489 (62% of games)

Games with under 48% shooting

Michael Jordan: 437 (41% of games)

Kobe Bryant: 470 (60% of games)

Games with under 46% shooting

Michael Jordan: 360 (33% of games)

Kobe Bryant: 417 (53% of games)

Games with under 44% shooting

Michael Jordan: 288 (1 out of every 4 games)

Kobe Bryant: 353 (1 out of every 2 games)

Games with under 42% shooting

Michael Jordan: 228 (1 out of every 5 games)

Kobe Bryant: 307 (2 out of every 5 games)

Games with under 40% shooting

Michael Jordan: 154 (1 out of every 7 games)

Kobe Bryant: 246 (1 out of every 3 games)

Games with under 35% shooting

Michael Jordan: 85 (8 out of every 100 games)

Kobe Bryant: 156 (20 out of every 100 games)

Games with under 30% shooting

Michael Jordan: 39 (1 out of every 28 games)

Kobe Bryant: 81 (1 out of every 10 games)

Games with 70% or better shooting

Michael "Air" Jordan: 23 (1 out of every 45 games)

Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 5 (1 out of every 160 games)

Games with 60% or better shooting

Michael "Air" Jordan: 160 (1 out of every 7 games)

Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 53 (1 out of every 15 games)

Games with 50% or better shooting

Michael "Air" Jordan: 504 (1 out of every 2 games)

Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 203 (1 out of every 4 games)

Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting

MJ: 15

Kobe: 3

Games with 15 shots made on 60% or better shooting

MJ: 77

Kobe: 17

Games with 15 shots made on 50% or better shooting

MJ: 174

Kobe: 45

Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts

MJ: 3

Kobe: 0

Games with 40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts

MJ: 27

Kobe: 15

40 point games with less than 5 three point attempts

MJ: 156 (9 out of 10 40 pt games)

Kobe: 26 (3 out of 10 40 pt games)

Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting

MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)

Games with 40 points and under 45% shooting

MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)

Games with 40 points and under 40% shooting

MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)

Yes, that's right, almost half of Kobe's 40 point games involved missing more shots than made ones.

50 point games with under 50% shooting

Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)

Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 21 games

50 point games with under 45% shooting

Michael Jordan: 0

Kobe Bryant: 3

NBA Playoffs

50 point games

KB: 1

MJ: 8

40 point games

KB: 4

MJ: 38

30 point games

KB: 33

MJ: 109

20 point games

KB: 86

MJ: 173

Assist to turnover ratio

Jordan: 1.93

Kobe: 1.56

Assists per game

Jordan: 5.3

Kobe: 4.5

In order to match Jordan's assists numbers by the time he has played as long as Jordan, he needs to average 7.2 apg. It'd be nice to see if Kobe could ever average this in a week.

These idiots don't know that Jordan played during the slowest paced era in history and still put up 30.

Percentage of team's points scored in the NBA Finals

Kobe

2000: 14.5% (not even including the game he missed) (W)

2001: 24.4% (W)

2002: 25.2% (W)

2004: 27.6% (L)

Michael Jordan

1991: 30.8% (W)

1992: 34.6% (W)

1993: 38.3% (W)

1996: 29.4% (W)

1997: 36.8% (W)

1998: 38.1% (W)

That stat will destroy any argument. Jordan=legend. Kobe=not legend. Honestly, that should shut up every stupid motherf****r who's ever opened his/her mouth.

Kobe could make 1500 shots in a row, and he'd barely pass Jordan in FG%.

Now let's assume that Kobe takes 2000 shots per season like the ballhog he has been shown to be.

At that rate he'd need to convert on 56.3% of his shot attempts for the next five years. We know this is impossible already, especially for a guard. Even MJ couldn't do it for a season!

Or perhaps Kobe plays for ten more years, averaging 1500 shots per season. He'd need to shoot over 54% to match Jordan, and once again, Jordan barely did this himself for one season.

If Kobe played until he was 50, another 21 years and every game of every season starting now, he would still have to average 32.6 ppg just to near Jordan's career ppg. HAHA!

If Kobe played another ten years (which he won't), and averaged 80 games each season (800 games total), he would have to average over 35.5 points per game to match Jordan's career scoring average. Kobe won't even have a season on that level.

If Kobe played another 8 years for 640 more games, 36.9 ppg.

If Kobe played another 5 years for 400 more games, 41 ppg.

If Kobe wanted to match Jordan's average by the time he has been playing as long as Jordan did, 45.1 ppg... yeah right.

And now perhaps the most telling stat I could give (and also the hardest one to compile and research). This is the ultimate. This is one of the things to look at when judging great players. The negative impact of his absence.

TEAM RECORD IN GAMES MISSED

Jordan: 22-49 (.310)

86: 22-43

89: 0-1

92: 0-2

93: 1-3

Even a championship caliber team suffered without its undisputed leader.

Bryant: 53-33 (.616)

97: 8-3

98: 3-0

00: 12-4

01: 11-3

02: 2-0

The championship Lakers teams seemed barely affected without Kobe.

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Old 06-19-2007, 01:41 AM   #4
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You would think that it was common knowledge that MJ is the greatest of all time.

Dedication to the game?

82-game seasons

Jordan: 9

Bryant: 1

80+ game seasons

Jordan: 11

Bryant: 3

Sidenote: Jordan played in every game for which he was eligible in his career. He missed 64 games to injury in 1986, a couple of games for other injuries, and 5 for suspensions for fighting and such.

A quick glance at Michael Jordan season by season

1985: 28.2 pts, 6.5 reb, 5.9 ast, 2.39 stl, 51.5% fg, 25.8 PER

1987: 37.1 pts, 5.2 reb, 4.6 ast, 2.88 stl, 48.2% fg, 29.8 PER

1988: 35.0 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.9 ast, 3.16 stl, 53.5% fg, 31.7 PER

1989: 32.5 pts, 8.0 reb, 8.0 ast, 2.89 stl, 53.8% fg, 31.1 PER

1990: 33.6 pts, 6.9 reb, 6.3 ast, 2.77 stl, 52.7% fg, 31.2 PER

1991: 31.5 pts, 6.0 reb, 5.5 ast, 2.72 stl, 53.9% fg, 31.6 PER

1992: 30.1 pts, 6.4 reb, 6.1 ast, 2.28 stl, 51.9% fg, 27.7 PER

1993: 32.6 pts, 6.7 reb, 5.5 ast, 2.83 stl, 49.5% fg, 29.7 PER

1996: 30.4 pts, 6.6 reb, 4.3 ast, 2.20 stl, 49.5% fg, 29.4 PER

1997: 29.6 pts, 5.9 reb, 4.3 ast, 1.71 stl, 48.6% fg, 27.8 PER

1998: 28.7 pts, 5.8 reb, 3.5 ast, 1.72 stl, 46.5% fg, 25.2 PER

Kobe Bryant season by season

1997: 7.6 pts, 1.9 reb, 1.3 ast, 0.69 stl, 41.7% fg, 14.4 PER

1998: 15.4 pts, 3.1 reb, 2.5 ast, 0.94 stl, 42.8% fg, 18.5 PER

1999: 19.9 pts, 5.3 reb, 3.8 ast, 1.44 stl, 46.5% fg, 18.9 PER

2000: 22.5 pts, 6.3 reb, 4.9 ast, 1.61 stl, 46.8% fg, 21.7 PER

2001: 28.5 pts, 5.9 reb, 5.0 ast, 1.68 stl, 46.4% fg, 24.5 PER

2002: 25.2 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.5 ast, 1.48 stl, 46.9% fg, 23.2 PER

2003: 30.0 pts, 6.9 reb, 5.9 ast, 2.21 stl, 45.1% fg, 26.2 PER

2004: 24.0 pts, 5.5 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.72 stl, 43.8% fg, 23.7 PER

2005: 27.6 pts, 5.9 reb, 6.0 ast, 1.30 stl, 43.3% fg, 23.3 PER

2006: 35.4 pts, 5.3 reb, 4.5 ast, 1.84 stl, 45.0% fg, 27.97 PER

2007: 31.6 pts, 5.7 reb, 5.4 ast, 1.44 stl, 46.3% fg, 26.1 PER

Seasons with 30+ PER

MJ: 4

KB: 0

Seasons with 28+ PER

MJ: 7

KB: 0

Seasons with 25+ PER

MJ: 12

KB: 3

Michael Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain are the only players in NBA history to have seasonal PERs over 31. They share the top 7 PERs in NBA history. Jordan has 4 and Wilt has 3.

Michael Jordan has 7 of the top 20 seasonal PERs all time. Kobeís highest is #42 all time, a 27.97 PER.

Jordan has 9 seasons in the top 50 all time in PER. Kobe has 1. Kobeís other two seasons that make the top 100 all time are #92 and #95Ö

Seasons with 30+ ppg

MJ: 8

KB: 3

Seasons with 25+ ppg

MJ: 12

KB: 6

Michael Jordan is one of four players in NBA history to average 20+ ppg every season in his career.

Seasons with 50% or better shooting

MJ: 6

KB: 0

Seasons with 47% or better shooting

MJ: 10

KB: 0

Seasons with 45% or better shooting

MJ: 12

KB: 7

Seasons with 6+ rebounds

MJ: 9

KB: 2

Seasons with 6+ assists

MJ: 3

KB: 1

Seasons with 5+ assists

MJ: 9

KB: 6

Seasons with 3+ steals

MJ: 1

KB: 0

Seasons with 2.5+ steals

MJ: 6

KB: 0

Seasons with 2+ steals

MJ: 10

KB: 1

Seasons with 100 or more blocks

MJ: 2

KB: 0

Seasons with 75 or more blocks

MJ: 4

KB: 0

Seasons with more than 50 blocks

MJ: 8

KB: 3

Kobe Bryant

Sub-48%

REG: 470 (60% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 84 (64% of games)

Sub-46%

REG: 417 (53% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 73 (56% of games)

Sub-44%

REG: 353 (45% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 64 (49% of games)

Sub-42%

REG: 307 (39% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 53 (40% of games)

Kobe has shot under 40% for 1/3 of his career

Kobe Bryant

Below 50% games

Regular season: 489 (62% of games)

Playoffs: 89 (68% of games)

Below 40% games

Regular season: 246 (31% of games)

Playoffs: 47 (36% of games)

Kobe Bryant

Sub 35% games

REG: 156 (20% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 28 (21% of games)

Sub 30% games

REG: 81 (9% of games)

PLAYOFFS: 13 (10% of games)

Scottie Pippen averaged 13.3 shots per game for his career and Kobe had been taking more shots per game than Pippen averaged for his career by his third year in the league, when Kobe fans ***** about shot attempts I want to stomp their *******. Kobe was taking over 15 shots per game from his 3rd year and on, Kobe actually had a year where he took 27 shots per game, Jordan's career average was 21 shots per game.

Jordan took 27 shots per game for only one season, Jordan averaged 37.1ppg that sesaon, the year Kobe took 27 shots per game he averaged 2 points less.

I mean Kobe tries to be like Jordan but it will never ever happen

The same year Kobe took 27 shots per game he only averaged 1.8stl per g, 4.5ast per g, 5.3reb per game, and a crappy 0.4 blocks per game

The year Jordan took 27 shots per game he averaged 5.2reb per game, 4.6ast per g, and a whopping 2.9 steals per game to go with his 1.5 blocks per game

Lebron James playoff career avg 28.9ppg 46%fg% 8.0rpg 6.8apg 1.4spg .6bpg

Michael Jordan playoff career avg 33.45ppg 49%fg% 6.4rpg 5.7apg 2.1spg .88bpg

Kobe Bryant playoff career avg 23.3ppg 44%fg% 4.9rpg 4.5apg 1.3spg .7bpg

(the only think kobe has on lebron is blocks by .1)

Dwyane Wade playoff career avg 23.5ppg 43%fg% 4.8rpg 6.3apg 1.2spg .5bpg

funny that Kobe and Wade both won titles with shaq and have almost identical playoff career averages.

Let us reestablish the totals in high scoring games:

50 points, sub 50% shooting

Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games

Kobe Bryant: 6 of his 21 games

50 points, sub 45% shooting

Michael Jordan: 0

Kobe Bryant: 3

40 point games

MJ: 173

Kobe: 85

30 point games

MJ: 561

Kobe: 245

Now are these points being scored from the field? Or the free throw line?

50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts

MJ: 3

Kobe: 0

40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts

MJ: 27

Kobe: 15

40 points, sub 50% shooting

MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)

40 points, sub 45% shooting

MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)

40 points, sub 40% shooting

MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)

Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)

These numbers are proving that Kobe can only score like MJ with many more shot attempts.

Here's some lovely information.

70% games

Michael Jordan: 23

Kobe Bryant: 5

60% games

Michael Jordan: 160

Kobe Bryant: 53

50% games

Michael Jordan: 504

Kobe Bryant: 203

20 FG made & 60% or better shooting

MJ: 15

Kobe: 3

15 FG made & 60% or better shooting

MJ: 77

Kobe: 17

15 FG made & 50% or better shooting

MJ: 174

Kobe: 45

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Hypebusted!

I also was able to show that Jordan gave his best for his strongest competition.

80s Jordan scoring average: 32.6 ppg

Regular season

80s Boston: 34.8 ppg

80s Detroit: 32.6 ppg

80s Philadelphia: 35.6 ppg

84-93 Cleveland: 34.2 ppg

Michael Cooper and the Lakers: 35.0 ppg

Playoffs career

Detroit: 30.0 ppg

New York: 33.1 ppg

Philadelphia: 38.2 ppg

Boston: 39.7 ppg

Cleveland: 42.5 ppg

New York was the only one of these teams he faced again in the playoffs during the second threepeat.

Of every game played since 1986:

Michael Jordan has 13 of top 25 game scores: #1, #4, #6, #6 (ties himself), #11, #16, #16, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #25

Kobe Bryant has 3 of the top 25 game scores.

Kobe Bryant has:

2nd worst game score for a player scoring 10 points. (5-21)

2nd worst game score for a player scoring 30 points. (11-29)

Worst and 4th worst game scores for a player scoring 40 points. (17-47, 12-30)

Of the 143 50 point games since 1986, in terms of shooting %:

Michael Jordan's games include #1, #5, #8, #17, #21, #22, etc.

Kobe Bryant's games include 10 of the 30 worst

7 of the 15 worst

The 3 worst

#118, #120, #122, #129, #131, #132, #133, #141, #142, #143

the worst home loss in Lakers history occurred this year

March 11, 2007

36 point loss to Dallas Mavericks

Kobe managed to go 6-19, 13-18 ft, dish 3 assists to 5 turnovers

He was 17th in steals... that's because he played the whole damn game.

He barely scraped the top 50 in steals per 40 minutes, and as we all know all the players ahead of him were guards.

Kobe Bryant doesn't desrve to be on that 1st defensive team! Check this out:

X-Mas Day: Wade scored 40 points & 11 assist on Kobe.

Lebron scored 38 on Kobe

Melo lit Kobe up & man handled Kobe

Arenas torched Kobe for 60!

He was 17th in steals & had a low bpg%.

I don't see how he could be on the 1st defensive team with all that going on.

Team record in games played

Michael Jeffrey Jordan: 707-365 (.660)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 503-281 (.642)

Record in games with 30+ shot attempts

Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 31-39 (.443)

Record as team leader

Michael Air Jordan: 640-290 (.688)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 121-125 (.492)

Record, all team games

Michael Air Jordan: 706-366 (.659)

Kobe Bean Bryant: 556-314 (.639)

Records of the teams Jordan lost to in the playoffs:

1985 Milwaukee Bucks: 59-23

1986 Boston Celtics: 67-15*

1987 Boston Celtics: 59-23*

1988 Detroit Pistons: 54-28*

1989 Detroit Pistons: 63-19*

1990 Detroit Pistons: 59-23*

*=advanced to NBA Finals

Records of the teams Kobe lost to in the playoffs:

2006 Phoenix Suns: 54-28

2007 Phoenix Suns: 61-21

nail in the coffin

NBA Finals

Shaquille O'Neal (with the Lakers only)

2000: 38.0 points, 16.7 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 1.0 steals, 2.7 blocks, 2.2 turnovers, 61.1% shooting, 39% free throw

2001: 33.0 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.4 apg, .4 steals, 3.4 blocks, 4 turnovers, 57.3% shooting, 51% FT

2002: 36.3 ppg, 12.3 rpg, 3.8 apg, 2.8 blocks, 59.5% shooting, 66.2% FT

2004: 26.6 ppg, 10.8 rpg, 1.6 apg, .6 blocks, 63.1% shooting, 49% FT

TOTALS: 33.55 ppg, 14.1 rpg, 3.0 apg, 2.4 blocks, 60.2% shooting

Kobe refused to feed Shaq the ball in 2004.

Shaquille O'Neal = highest scoring average for a center in NBA Finals history

Shaquille O'Neal=one of the few players to score 30 points in all games of an NBA Finals

Hahaha Kobe doesn't play in May without Shaq.

Scottie Pippen

18.9 ppg, 6 apg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.3 turnovers, 42.3% shooting

Kobe Bryant

22.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.0 turnovers, 41.6% shooting

Michael Jordan

33.6 ppg, 6 apg, 6 rpg, 2.1 steals, .71 blocks, 50.2% shooting

Hmm, it looks to me like Kobe compares more favorably to Scottie Pippen than to Jordan. He was not the leader. He was not the ultimate playoff performer. Kobe was a sidekick.

As you can see, Jordan didn't even try to press his scoring. He had 57 assists in the 5 game series against the Lakers, the second most ever in a 5 game series behind Magic Johnson...

I thought about pointing out the NBA records Jordan holds, but there's just too many, and there's nothing to compare to with Kobe.

For instance, Jordan is the only player to score more than 20 points in all of his NBA Finals games in his career.

He's the only player to score more than 15 points in all playoffs games in his career (179 games).

His 41.0 ppg against Phoenix is the highest NBA Finals scoring average in history.

What impresses me is that Jordan shot over 50% in the NBA Finals, even for his whole career. The 33.6, 6 and 6 is a different story.

NBA Finals

Kobe Bryant

2000: 15.6 ppg, 4.2 apg, 4.6 rpg, 1.0 steals, 1.4 blocks, 1.2 turnovers, 36.7% shooting

2001: 24.6 ppg, 5.8 apg, 7.8 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.4 blocks, 3.6 turnovers, 41.5% shooting

2002: 26.7 ppg, 5.2 apg, 5.8 rpg, 1.5 steals, .75 blocks, 3.8 turnovers, 51.4% shooting

2004: 22.6 ppg, 4.4 apg, 2.8 rpg, 1.8 steals, .6 blocks, 3.6 turnovers, 38% shooting

CAREER: 22.1 ppg, 4.6 apg, 5.2 rpg, 1.4 steals, 1.0 blocks, 3.0 turnovers, 41.6% shooting

NBA Finals

Michael Jordan

1991: 31.2 points, 11.4 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 2.8 steals, 1.4 blocks, 66.7% shooting

1992: 35.8 ppg, 6.5 apg, 4.8 rpg, 1.7 steals, .33 blocks, 52.6% shooting

1993: 41.0 ppg, 6.3 apg, 8.2 rpg, 1.7 steals, .66 blocks, 50.8% shooting

1996: 27.3 ppg, 3.8 apg, 5.3 rpg, 1.7 steals, .5 blocks, 48.9% shooting

1997: 32.3 ppg, 6.0 apg, 7.0 rpg, 1.2 steals, .83 blocks, 42.7% shooting

1998: 33.5 ppg, 2.3 apg, 4.0 rpg, 1.8 steals, .67 blocks, 42.7% shooting

CAREER: 33.6 ppg, 6 apg, 6 rpg, 2.1 steals, .71 blocks, 50.2% shooting

11 seasons he's accomplished.

0 NBA MVPs

0 steal titles

0 assist titles

0 defensive player of the year award

0 6th man award

0 rebound titles

0 sports illustrated sportsman of the year award (Wade already got one)

0 espy best basketball player award (Wade already got one)

thebruceblitzchannel May 15, 2007

0 rookie of the year awards

0 olympic medals (Wade already got two)

0 to lead the league in 3 point shooting

He's played in 4 NBA FINALS and accomplished this

0 finals mvps (Wade have one)

0 broken records in the nba finals (Wade have some)

11 seasons & 4 nba finals is more then enough time to have accomplished those things if you're one of the best ever. Not an all-time great, I'm taking about one of the best ever. Someone that you'll put in your 10 ten. I can't see how Kobe is in some peoples top ten & he has nothing to show for in 11 seasons. He's only got 2 scoring titles & 3 nba titles as an side-kick (he never led to a title).

Jordan definitely has 33 GW shots IN 58 shot attempts. Kobe on the other hand has a current % of 21% in the clutch

Show respect to MJ, please, he has earned it.

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thats pretty eye opening, just shows you how truely great MJ was.
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Kwame Brown 59% shooter
bynum 53.4% shooter
walton 48% shooter
odom 47% shooter
kobe 46%
brian cook 45.5% shooter
parker 44% shooter
mo evans 43% shooter
jordan farmar 43% shooter
radmanovic 43% shooter
turiaf 55% shooter
vujacic 40% shooter (3 point specialist)(37% 3 point)
the best option is to get either top first 4 players more looks, Kobe takes smarter shots, or you try to get vujacic more threes, Kobe should never shoot more 3's than Vujacic.
Oct 31 Kobe DNP vs Phoenix and the Lakers won without him

Nov 1 Kobe DNP @ golden state and the Lakers won without him
Nov 5th Kobe shoots 40% loss @ Seattle
Nov 10th Kobe shoots 45% loss vs Detroit
Nov 12th Kobe shoots 41% loss vs Memphis
Nov 19th Kobe shoots 35% loss vs Bulls
Nov 26th Kobe shoots 33% somehow they overcame it and beat the Nets
Nov 28th Kobe shoots 30% loss vs Mil
Dec 2cnd Dec 4th both sub 50% games and they overcame it to win amazingly over the Clippers and Pacers, he was barely under 50% no point to disecting it.
Dec 12th Kobe shoots 30% and they WON?! wow beat houston despite their "leader" having another off night.
Dec 15th Kobe's first sign of shotjacking with 38 shots vs T-Mac making only 17 of them. But the Lakers won.
Dec 19th Kobe shoots 31% loss @ chi
Dec 22nd Kobe 4-13 30%shooting and they won? without his scoring? @ the nets
Dec 25th Kobe 4-17 23% shooting with Wade on him, loss @ mia
Dec 27th Kobe 36% shooting Loss @ orlando
Dec 29th Kobe shotjacks again 45 shots, he made 22 of them, in a loss to the bobcats.
(cont)
I forgot to mention that Dec 8th Kobe DNP and the Lakers beat the Hawks
Jan 5th Kobe 22% and only 8 points, Lakers win vs Denver
Jan 7th Kobe under 50% barely win vs Dal
Jan 9th Kobe 46% shooting Loss @ Memphis
Jan 10th Kobe 33% shooting Loss @ houston
Jan 15th Kobe 45% shooting they still won vs Mia
Jan 18th Kobe 44% shooting loss @ dal
Jan 20th Kobe 31% shooting loss @ NOK
Jan 26th Kobe 41% shooting loss vs cha
Feb 2cnd Kobe 28% shooting loss @ ind
Feb 8th Kobe 38% shooting loss @ det
Feb 9th Kobe 43% shooting loss @ tor
Feb 13th Kobe 45% shooting Loss vs NY Knickerbockers
Feb 15th Kobe 40% shooting loss vs cle
Feb 21st Kobe 36% shooting loss vs portland
Feb 25th Kobe 39% shooting oh my they overcame his bad shooting for once, GO PHIL! win @ gsw
Feb 26th Kobe 33% shooting and they win again, proving to be a great team that can overcome bad shooting nights from their leader, win @ utah
Mar 2cnd Kobe shoots 45% loss vs sac
Mar 4th kobe shoots 28 shots making 39% of them and the lakers lose by 5 points to the suns. i mean give odom even 3 of those shots and you have a chance because Odom takes shots in the post.
Mar 6th Kobe shoots 30 shots (time to shotjack since the shot percentage is down, he is easy to figure out)(he did it before)30 shots 43% loss @ min
Mar 9th Kobe shoots 27 shots 44% loss @ philadelphia? sad
Mar 11 Kobe takes 19 shots making 6 for 31% loss vs dal
Mar 15 Kobe 45% shooting loss @ den
Mar 16 Kobe 39 shots, over 50% for once and they beat weak portland, that is his 65 point game and the beginning of the hype to make people forget all the **** games he was having but he had 12 free throws in the game keep in mind vs weak *** portland
Mar 18th Kobe 35 shots making 17 of them 50 points with 14 free throws to help out vs minn
Mar 22 Kobe 37 shots 60 points they gave him 18 free throws @ weak *** memphis
Mar 23 Kobe shoots 29 shots and 16 free throws to score 50 for his little streak that you all got so excited about @ the weak *** knicks?
Mar 25th Kobe tries to go for that 5th 50 point game the stat chaser, with 33 shot attempts making only 15, well they only gave him 11 free throws so he only scored 43 points. 33 shot attempts 11 free throws only 43 points in a close lucky 2 point win over gsw
Mar 27th 26 shots making 7 of them for 26% shooting and they lost by 2 freaking points to the grizzlies so if he took even 2 less shots they win. This was one of those special games where kobe took more shots than he made points, 26 shots and even 9 free throws but only 23 points? and everyone was still talking about his 4 games at this point, nobody took time to notice his **** play
Mar 30 Kobe is still shotjacking with 44 shots, yes 44 shots 14 free throws and only 53 points, that is a 43% shooting percentage folks in a 3 point loss to tracy mc****s on defense.
Apr 1 Kobe shoots only 14 shots but amazingly only makes 6, registering 19 points, is it a coincidence that the first game that he shoots less than 26 shots in 2 weeks and they win the game by 23 points vs sacramento?
Apr 3 Kobe shoots 31 shots only making 14 they handed him 11 free throws and he only made 45% of his shots in a 4 point loss to denver.
Apr 4 Kobe shoots 34 shots only making 13 of them for his usual 38% in another single digit loss to the clips once again Kobe shot 34 shots which outscored his total points of 29
Apr 6 Kobe shoots 27 shots making 13 of them and the refs bailed him out with 24 free throws but amazingly he only scored 46 points with all those attempts, the lakers beat seattle by 3.
Apr 9 Kobe shoots 30 shots only making 9 of them with 5 free throws, another game where he shot more shots than he made points, his attempts outscored his points with only 23 points on 30% in a 4 point loss to denver
Apr 12 Kobe took 33 shots and 15 free throws for another 50 points in a loss to the clippers
Apr 13 another spectacular scoring performance from Kobe where he took 26 shots and only made 7 of them for an amazing 17 points @ phoenix in a 7 point loss.
so how did Kobe do in the playoffs?
Apr 22 Kobe takes his usual 33 shots, making only 15 of them, he got 7 free throws and only scored 39 points in an 8 point loss to the suns, he shot 45%.
apr 24 Kobe took only 13 shots after rumors swirled that Phil begged Kobe to facilitate more like he did at the beginning of the year, in another protest, to show that his team cant win without him, Kobe gave up, only took 13 shots, only scored 15 points and bailed out on his team while they lost @ phx
apr 26 kobe decides to play, 6 ast 6 reb he made 60% of his shots, great game by Kobe, rare.
apr 29 Kobe takes 25 shots only making 46% of them loss by 13, but this you cant blame kobe for because he listened to phil and had 9 assists
may 2 Kobe goes back to Kobe ball, 1 assist, 33 shots only making 13 of them and he only scored 34 points. Lamar Odom in contrast only took 21 shots scoring 33.
I hope you see the significance to this.



thats why people hate Kobe's fans, you brag about him, he plays like **** and you guys keep telling us how good he is. what a joke

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Great find.

However, you're still an idiot. There's nothing to prove. We all know that MJ is better.

If you want to continue researching like a moron just so you can prove a few young lifeless virgins wrong, suit yourself.
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...because he is and to even argue the point somehow diminshes his accomplishments
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I expected more comedy in this thread.
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Don't give up just yet..
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Maybe you should make a thread explaining why Wayne Gretzky is better then Sean Avery.
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"YOU CAN"T HANDLE THE TRUTH"


Great stuff I read 90% of it. Kobe is a talented player but I always knew he was no MJ, we all did.

Just showed me how great MJ was and confirmed Kobe was a wannabe,

"Games with 4+ steals

Air: 235

Kobe: 63"

Shocked me.
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that's really a long post.. it needs graphs and pie charts for a full IMPACT... and a laser pointer, gotta have a laser pointer...
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