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Old 05-16-2007, 11:17 PM   #16
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How many players in the L has forced turnovers from your avatar? None, he does all by himself.:
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:20 PM   #17
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Yeah thats what I would say too. Very good. For 2 years I would say he is elite and thats what puts him in the "very good" level, but the rest of the years he was just good. But those 2 dominating years does put him in the "very good" level.

Just curious of your answer, who would you rather have on defense. Alonzo (2 Time All-Defensive Team in career) or Gary Payton (9 Straight All-Defensive 1st) full prime was not just PEAK wise, just overall prime wise (Years they were considered "good")

I actually would take them both. Considering they play different positions. Just for defense. Total game....Payton

You could have made an argument for payton being the best PG in the L some years, but no one would give Zo the nod as the best Center in any year.
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:22 PM   #18
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See how the topic of the thread has shifted.
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Old 05-16-2007, 11:23 PM   #19
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I actually would take them both. Considering they play different positions. Just for defense. Total game....Payton

You could have made an argument for payton being the best PG in the L some years, but no one would give Zo the nod as the best Center in any year.
Yeah and Payton was pretty up there as a defender for a PG, clearly the best over a 9 year spread. Him and Jordan were always on All-Defensive 1st. While, Zo only the best for like 2 years, and never even got to an All-Defensive other than 2 years. But because of those 2 years he is remembered more as a great defender...

If you had to pick one who would you take? Keep in mind good defensive centers are much more comon than good defensive PGs. Especially as good as Payton, you'd find no replacement as good as the GLove. But you could probably find a Center as good as Zo on defense...
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Just curious of your answer, who would you rather have on defense. Alonzo (2 Time All-Defensive Team in career) or Gary Payton (9 Straight All-Defensive 1st) full prime was not just PEAK wise, just overall prime wise (Years they were considered "good")

You'd have to go with Alonzo. Dominant defensive bigs impact the game in ways guards cannot.
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Yeah and Payton was pretty up there as a defender for a PG, clearly the best over a 9 year spread. Him and Jordan were always on All-Defensive 1st. While, Zo only the best for like 2 years, and never even got to an All-Defensive other than 2 years. But because of those 2 years he is remembered more as a great defender...

If you had to pick one who would you take? Keep in mind good defensive centers are much more comon than good defensive PGs. Especially as good as Payton, you'd find no replacement as good as the GLove. But you could probably find a Center as good as Zo on defense...

You are really selling Payton aren't you? OK sold to the highest bidder....Payton
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You'd have to go with Alonzo. Dominant defensive bigs impact the game in ways guards cannot.
Not one overrated like ZO. Like I said, he is remembered more for his defense because he had 2 great years...Those 2 years I would take him over Payton. But Overall prime careerwise, I'd give the nod to Payton (9 Straight All-Defensive 1st vs. 2 All-Defensive Teams)
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You are really selling Payton aren't you? OK sold to the highest bidder....Payton
No, its an old argument I was in a while ago here...Argued with just 1 guy on it...Would like to know what others thought...
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You'd have to go with Alonzo. Dominant defensive bigs impact the game in ways guards cannot.

No really, how many defensive bigs have impacted a championship series more than their teammate, which would be an explosive guard?

I will wait for the answer.
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No, its an old argument I was in a while ago here...Argued with just 1 guy on it...Would like to know what others thought...


Payton was the best at his craft at least half of his career.
Zo can't say that any of the years he played.
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Well everybody acts like Zo has been dominating for a whole decade and is on the level of guys like Hakeem and Mutombo. But he hasn't. Zo has been selected to All-Defensive Teams only 2 times. Just 2.

Zo has been a dominant defender. Look at all the great defenders he had to compete against for those selections. Hakeem, Mutombo, Ewing, and Robinson. Plus, two guards are selected per team, whereas only one center is selected per team.
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I'd take Mourning. He's a lot more intimidating, and just look at them today. Mourning is still good while Payton has been crap for a few years now.
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So who else has dunked on Alphonso Mourning
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Zo has been a dominant defender. Look at all the great defenders he had to compete against for those selections. Hakeem, Mutombo, Ewing, and Robinson. Plus, two guards are selected per team, whereas only one center is selected per team.
Well thats why Payton has been All-Defensive 1st 9 times in a row, and Mourning hasn't even been on an All-Defensive Team for over 2 years. Totally takes out the competetion and 2 guards per team argument because the differences are too great.
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I'd take Mourning. He's a lot more intimidating, and just look at them today. Mourning is still good while Payton has been crap for a few years now.
I was talking about their primes...
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