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Old 06-23-2014, 10:43 PM   #16
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“Do you know who you’re going to start at the five tonight,” ask San Antonio Express-News NBA beat writer Mike Monroe.

“Tim Duncan, like we have for 15 years,” replied Popovich.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:44 PM   #18
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Is this an agenda thread or something? You started out posing a question, now you're doing everything you can to label Duncan a C -- which doesn't have any affect on his historical ranking anyway.

Respond to my above post. Please tell me Rasho and Nazr were playing the PF for us.

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"Editorial note: The following is an almost entirely a work of fiction centered around the first two quotes, which in fact happened. Tim Duncan is, in reality, the greatest power forward to ever play the game."

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"Editorial note: The following is an almost entirely a work of fiction centered around the first two quotes, which in fact happened. Tim Duncan is, in reality, the greatest power forward to ever play the game."

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If you don't know already.. 48 minutes of hell is a Spurs blog.. but the quote is legit as stated.
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this duncan is not a center fallacy needs to stop
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:50 PM   #22
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I watched Barkley play the 3 in Philly when they had Rick Mahorn, Armen Hammer, and Mike Giminski. Other times too. Depending on the opponent.

Scottie Pippen was even guarding him.

Besides they list Lebron and Melo as power forwards the last 2 years. I suspect history wont remember Lebron as one.

Way the game is played now....its just small guards and tall people. Positions are out the window.
Barkley did play the 3 and bitched and moaned about it the whole time. He also used to dog Armen Gilliam as often as possible. He hated that guy. Barley felt he was more effective as a 4 and not as a 3 and I agree. God I do not miss having to watch Gminski play basketball.
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And what's ironic about Barkley is he played Center in college... Actually, it's not ironic.. A great deal of NBA power forwards played center in college... Elton Brand, Antonio McDyess, LaMarcus Aldridge, Tim Duncan, etc.
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Barkley, Dirk, Sloan...they've all called Duncan the best PF ever.

Jack Ramsay also called him a PF but I don't think he talked about his rank.

He had an interchangeable skillset; he'd play either PF or C depending on who he played with, and he spent the majority of his time at the PF position, and almost all of his prime.

If we're calling Duncan a C because of his play-style, why not Barkley an SF, Jordan an SF, LeBron a PF? Because they didn't play those positions. Neither did Duncan for much of his time, no matter what BasketballReference lists (I posted the players Duncan was alongside with, can you really say they were our PFs?).

The game has changed so much that positions are useless anyway.
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And what's ironic about Barkley is he played Center in college... Actually, it's not ironic.. A great deal of NBA power forwards played center in college... Elton Brand, Antonio McDyess, LaMarcus Aldridge, Tim Duncan, etc.
Some guards played center in highschool. Hell, I played center/pf/sf in highschool.
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Barkley, Dirk, Sloan...they've all called Duncan the best PF ever.
Barkley also listed Duncan out of the top 10 with Kobe & LeBron at 6 & 7 respectively: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=342744

Dirk also said Kobe Bryant is the best player he's ever played against: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=326201

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Barkley, Dirk, Sloan...they've all called Duncan the best PF ever.

Jack Ramsay also called him a PF but I don't think he talked about his rank.

He had an interchangeable skillset; he'd play either PF or C depending on who he played with, and he spent the majority of his time at the PF position, and almost all of his prime.

If we're calling Duncan a C because of his play-style, why not Barkley an SF, Jordan an SF, LeBron a PF? Because they didn't play those positions. Neither did Duncan for much of his time, no matter what BasketballReference lists (I posted the players Duncan was alongside with, can you really say they were our PFs?).

The game has changed so much that positions are useless anyway.

Homer chill. Duncan is a center and I've said that since the day he was drafted. Your position doesn't change because of who you're on the court with. U can play 2 centers.

Duncan is the 5th best C of all time. Barkley is the best PF.
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Some guards played center in highschool. Hell, I played center/pf/sf in highschool.

The point is, once you enter the NBA it's all different. Duncan played mostly PF for about the first 10 years of his career. Ie. his physical prime.



Bottom line: Duncan played waaaaaay too much PF to say "he's never been a PF" or "he's truly a center".
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Bball reference is accurate when it comes to statistics... nothing more

Listed heights, listed weights, nicknames, positions, etc it gets a lot of those things wrong. Besides, many players also can't be pigeon holed into a single position to begin with throughout a season, many change spots and are swingmen between 2 or more positions, bball reference only lists up to 2 positions at a time per season.

Jerry West was definitely not the Lakers point guard until the tail end of his career, he was the teams high scoring off-guard along with other off-guard help like Dick Barnett because he didn't have a solid ambidextrous handle at first plus he was pretty big (6-4+ without shoes, not 6-2 or 6-3 like he is often mistakenly listed). The majority of his career the 60's Lakers teams always had smaller, great ball handling guards like Larry Siegfried, Walt Hazzard, Jim King, and (before he was traded) a young Gail Goodrich running point duties for Elgin and West. By the later half of West's career he was a much better ball handler and when Gail Goodrich was re-acquired Bill Sharman experimented with allowing Goodrich to pick up the scoring load while making West defer and thus eventually West become a point guard. But this was a few seasons before West retired.

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The point is, once you enter the NBA it's all different. Duncan played mostly PF for about the first 10 years of his career. Ie. his physical prime.



Bottom line: Duncan played waaaaaay too much PF to say "he's never been a PF" or "he's truly a center".
Even at his peak whether he was a C or PF was disputed. David Robinson was more perimeter oriented and more of a PF than Duncan.

Even his coach admits he's a C.
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