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Old 06-23-2014, 10:21 PM   #1
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According to bball-reference Tim Duncan has spent nearly half of his career as a C and the other half as a PF.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...duncati01.html




Yet GOAT PF doe..


I also found it interesting that Jerry West was (according to bball-ref) primarily a PG: http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../westje01.html



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Barkley is probably the GOAT PF.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:23 PM   #3
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Duncan established himself as the GOAT PF after just 6 seasons anyway.

He played the PF with Robinson, then again with Nazr, and now again with Tiago.

He was a legit C from 07/08 through to 2011.
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Barkley is probably the GOAT PF.

He's an SF man, you didn't know?
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Where would Duncan rank among centers?
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It's not like Tim Duncan changed his game to become more of a center than a power forward...rather, the league has changed to become more small-ball dominant. Besides, Duncan's prime were in his power forward days.
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Barkley according to bball-ref is a legit PF: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...barklch01.html

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The only way Duncan is a C is if you use the playstyle argument.

Reference just uses the tallest player on the team to determine the C.

Like I said, Duncan played PF from 98-07, then again in 13 and 14.

You think Oberto or Nazr were the Spurs' PFs?
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Default Re: Tim Duncan according to basketball-reference

Spurs were best with a Duncan + Splitter lineup this season, and going further, half the reason Spurs are relevant is they finally got a starting center comparable to D-Rob or the Rasho/Nazr tandem.
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The only way Duncan is a C is if you use the playstyle argument.

Reference just uses the tallest player on the team to determine the C.
Now you're just making stuff up. That's not true and you know it.

If what you're saying is correct.. then wouldn't KG be a C in Boston when he was playing alongside Perkins? I'm sure he was the tallest in Minny for numerous years also.

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Barkley according to bball-ref is a legit PF: http://www.basketball-reference.com/...barklch01.html



I watched Barkley play the 3 in Philly when they had Rick Mahorn, Armen Hammer, and Mike Giminski. Other times too. Depending on the opponent.

Scottie Pippen was even guarding him.

Besides they list Lebron and Melo as power forwards the last 2 years. I suspect history wont remember Lebron as one.

Way the game is played now....its just small guards and tall people. Positions are out the window.
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Now you're just making stuff up. That's not true and you know it.

If what you're saying is correct.. then wouldn't KG be a C in Boston when he was playing alongside Perkins? I'm sure he was the tallest in Minny for numerous years also.

Source: Kevin Garnett
In 1997-2003, Robinson was clearly the center. Backup was Will Perdue, Kevin Willis.
In 2003-2006, Nesterovic was clearly the center. Backups were Kevin Willis, Nazr Mohammed.
In 2006-2009, Oberto was the center.
And now in 2013/14, Tiago is getting the nod.

So I ask: why was Duncan listed at the C on BBallreference? I watched the games, saw the starting lineups...and no way was Duncan playing the C in some of those Playoffs.

Duncan played PF in the era when it was fashionable to have two 7-footers on the floor at all times. Now, in an era with smaller players in general, he plays center when Splitter is gone.. Overall, he is a forward-center. It's that simple.

There aren't even any positions anyway. There are frontcourt and backcourt players, as well as wings. Duncan's skillset is so interchangable that he could play both positions...but he spent most of his years, and his best ones, at the PF.

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Default Re: Tim Duncan according to basketball-reference

According to Basketball reference, Dirk Nowitzki played Center in both 02 and 04.

Andrea Bargnani has more seasons playing Center (11, 12, and 14) than probably some actual centers.

Al Horford despite having PF abilities and skillset has never played PF according to BBR.

DeJuan Blair started 250+ games for the Spurs and is more of a natural center than Tim (Blair was a collegiate center, has no jump shot at all, and is predominantly a post player) has never played center according to BBR.

Mehmet Okur played 5+ seasons of "center" despite hovering by the 3 point line and launching hundreds of 3's.

People are quick to label Anthony Davis a PF despite Tim in his physical prime having way more of an offensive repertoire and midrange game.

Positions aren't always black and white, and today's league is in love with the Kevin Loves, big men who live at the three point line.
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