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Old 06-23-2014, 10:13 PM   #16
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Default Re: Is Tony Parker a Hall of Famer?

He is a HOF...
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:19 PM   #17
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Default Re: Is Tony Parker a Hall of Famer?

Is he better than Tim Hardaway or Sidney Moncrief (SG but still)?

A related question is how much team accomplishments should and postseason awards should factor into it.

Hardaway and Moncrief were never in a finals, so they didn't get a chance to win FMVP.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:22 PM   #18
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Yes, he's a HOFer without question.

I will say though, it's some pretty weak shit that he's a certain future HOFer despite the fact that:

1) More often than not, he gets outplayed or embarrassed by other top-tier PGs in the game. He's had 3 acceptable/good games for a HOF player in his last 9 meetings (last 3 seasons) with Westbrook, 4 acceptable/good games in the past 5 seasons against CP3 (out of 13 meetings).
2) There's been visible and statistical evidence of his team performing better without him, in his prime. Conference finals and a decent chunk of the finals can support this.
3) He didn't win FMVP in a title run in his prime, in a team where he should've clearly been the best player. And it wasn't a Pippen scenario in which he lost it to the GOAT, he lost it to a 22 year old 3rd season player.

He's definitely a HOF player, but the basketball HOF is an utter joke when TP is a 100% lock and not even debatable.
Parker-led teams have consistently knocked out the best point guard's teams his whole career: Williams, Billups, Nash, Paul, and now Lilliard and Westbrook. He led the Spurs throughout the playoffs again this season and even led them in scoring in the Finals (even though he wasn't the Spurs overall best player in that series or in OKC due to injury). And how many PGs won FMVP in their prime? (if we're not including 2007 as Parker's prime)
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:22 PM   #19
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:29 PM   #20
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Parker has a good chance to set the record for most playoff wins of all time as well.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:38 PM   #21
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Default Re: Is Tony Parker a Hall of Famer?

Yes and he won't be the worst of them either.. Derrick rose will already make it with his map, Billups will make it.. Go look at the HOF. Nobody would even know half the players in there since they're all no names from 50s-70s outside the few names people recognize.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:41 PM   #22
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Parker-led teams have consistently knocked out the best point guard's teams his whole career: Williams, Billups, Nash, Paul, and now Lilliard and Westbrook. He led the Spurs throughout the playoffs again this season and even led them in scoring in the Finals (even though he wasn't the Spurs overall best player in that series or in OKC due to injury). And how many PGs won FMVP in their prime? (if we're not including 2007 as Parker's prime)

How many of those series did he outplay the opposing point guard?

Curious as I dont know. Parker clearly regressed this season though.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:42 PM   #23
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Getting into the NBA HoF is a joke...and once they let Mitch Richmond in, this should not have been a question.

Parker is a lock tbh. Carmelo Anthony is a lock.

Its not the nba hall of fame.....its the basketball hof.
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Default Re: Is Tony Parker a Hall of Famer?

It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Talent or achievement. So yes he'll probably make it in.

He'd be a first ballot lock for the Hall of Worthless Cunts if one existed

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Old 06-24-2014, 12:26 AM   #25
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How many of those series did he outplay the opposing point guard?

Curious as I dont know. Parker clearly regressed this season though.
I'd have to go back and look at individual series to say.

In regards to regressing, you do know he had somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 injuries this season, not to mention the playoffs, right?
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:27 AM   #26
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It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Talent or achievement. So yes he'll probably make it in.

He'd be a first ballot lock for the Hall of Worthless Cunts if one existed
Is the fact that Parker is 11-5 against Lebron in the Finals that has you mad or something else about him?
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:28 AM   #27
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I'd have to go back and look at individual series to say.

In regards to regressing, you do know he had somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 injuries this season, not to mention the playoffs, right?
Matters when you play on a team where you are never the clear cut best player.

He will have the same problems next year. That's regression.
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:30 AM   #28
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of course he is in
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:54 AM   #29
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Matters when you play on a team where you are never the clear cut best player.

He will have the same problems next year. That's regression.
Ok, he was the only All-Star on the team (selected by coaches). Clear-cut? Maybe not, but he's been the best player on the team for at least the past 5 years, arguably longer. He continues to get better every season as a leader and in terms of bball IQ, along with his jumper, 3 point shot, and ability to finish in the paint. He won't be as fast as he was in 2007, but he continues to play as good as ever and has consistently been in MVP talks the past several years until injuries put him out of contention. Just because he plays through ankle injuries in the playoffs shouldn't be taken out of consideration when evaluating him. But if you want to ignore his injuries, go ahead if it makes you feel better.
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:54 AM   #30
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Parker-led teams have consistently knocked out the best point guard's teams his whole career: Williams, Billups, Nash, Paul, and now Lilliard and Westbrook. He led the Spurs throughout the playoffs again this season and even led them in scoring in the Finals (even though he wasn't the Spurs overall best player in that series or in OKC due to injury). And how many PGs won FMVP in their prime? (if we're not including 2007 as Parker's prime)

He was at best third place for fmvp this year, and he was shooting for it in game 5 just couldn't get it done, was also terrible in the last finals, got outplayed in every game by westbrook in wcf then in game 6 they took him out at the half down dbl digits and came back to win with him on the bench. Just seems strange for a hof lock to never have been allnba first team but guess some of that has to do with being from outside of the u.s
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