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Old 03-19-2007, 03:09 PM   #16
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Tinsley is clearly the better player, Houstons offence will benifit a lot with him being the floor general.

And it's no good for the pacers.



No it doesn't benefit the Rockets.

Tinsley would make our offense suffer, and his defense would kill us.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:13 PM   #17
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Z can rebound, defend and has a whole set of low post moves, that makes him a better player than Blount.

Yeah plus he's one helluva tackler :)
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:14 PM   #18
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Yeah plus he's one helluva tackler :)

I expect to see Mathius soon.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:15 PM   #19
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I agree with this. Part of my motivation for bringing up Alston-Tinsley is Houston fans' tendency to knock Alston's point guard abilities, when the primary thing they need him to do is hit open shots. It can be likened to millenial Laker fans getting mad at Derek Fisher.
Which is why Luther Head should start.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:19 PM   #20
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Which is why Luther Head should start.

Who are you going to pull out of the starting lineup........

Head is atrocious at running the point and constantly turns the ball over so your going to have to start him over someone other than Alston.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:20 PM   #21
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Who are you going to pull out of the starting lineup........

Head is atrocious at running the point and constantly turns the ball over so your going to have to start him over someone other than Alston.
I was just jokingly responding to SAKF's post about needing someone who only needs to hit jumpers at the point position. I'm a big Luther fan, which my name makes quite evident.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:24 PM   #22
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I'm a big Luther fan, which my name makes quite evident.

I guess I can say the same exact thing. :)

I like Luther Head and he hits clutch shots down the stretch, but at this point in his career he is best suited coming off the bench.

Hopefully he grows into a better ball handler and passer.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:28 PM   #23
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I guess I can say the same exact thing. :)

I like Luther Head and he hits clutch shots down the stretch, but at this point in his career he is best suited coming off the bench.

Hopefully he grows into a better ball handler and passer.

Needs a summer with John Lucas. Get him handling those tennis balls .
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Tayshaun's role has been reduced to being the fifth option on offense, so it basically comes down to defense and who's better at doing the dirty work on offense (rebounding, spot up shooting, getting loose balls). I like Deng, but I think the Pistons would especially miss Tayshaun's long arms on defense now that Flip's running his zone all the time.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:38 PM   #25
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Although I don't think Biz Z would be rejuvinated in Minny, I could definately see him having a major impact on a number of teams. Think about him possibly coming off the bench for Dallas, or playing center for LA. Teams could really benefit from this guy. A comparison to Mark Blount (despite how well Blount's been playing) is hardly justified IMO.
It's not a comparison. A closer reading of the original post reveals this.

The point isn't to compare the two players.
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Luol Deng for Tayshaun Prince
This is a tough one but i think that the Pistons are better off with Prince because of what he brings on the defensive end. He is not as good on offense but he might be a little more versatile than Deng in that regard.


Corey Maggette for Ricky Davis
Maggette would definitely help the Twolves because they would finally have a #2 option that could create for himself. Davis would be better in LA because he is a better jump shooter than Maggette and would help Brand get more space in the paint because he would spread the D. Defense doesnt really matter in a comparison between the two because they are basically even.

Raymond Felton for Maurice Williams
I dont see a significant boost for either team because they are both bad either way but i think Felton would help some players improve their numbers. I think Bogut would score more because Ray would look for him more and they would be a better pick and roll combo. I also think Ray>Mo on D.

Mark Blount for Zydrunas Ilgauskas
I like this trade for the Cavs because Blount is younger and more mobile than Big z and can hit the 17-18 foot jumper consistently. The midrange is more of his game than the post so it would open the lane for Lebron and Hughes to drive.

Marcus Camby for Samuel Dalembert
The Sixers would make the playoffs and the Nuggets would miss it because Camby is way better than Sammy. Sammy can be a force on D but plays dumb and gets in early foul trouble a lot while Camby is smarter and a better more consistent rebounder. Camby is also better on offense because he is more polished while Sammy is still very raw and rough.

Rafer Alston for Jamaal Tinsley
I dont like it for either team because Tinsley is a gaurd that likes to play with the ball in his hands and that wouldnt work out for Tmac. Alston is not as good a point gaurd or decision maker he is more of a jump shooter that fits in well with the Rockets.

Anderson Varejao for Jeff Foster
I dont like this for the Cavs because they thrive off Varejao's energy and hustle plays to ignite the team. Foster may be a better offensive rebounder but Varejao is the spark that the Cavs need on there team he is a glue guy for them.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:41 PM   #27
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Tayshaun's role has been reduced to being the fifth option on offense, so it basically comes down to defense and who's better at doing the dirty work on offense (rebounding, spot up shooting, getting loose balls). I like Deng, but I think the Pistons would especially miss Tayshaun's long arms on defense now that Flip's running his zone all the time.
This is the kind of analysis this thread is looking for, kids.

None of this "teh player iz better, duh" crap.

I'm talking about how the players' roles would change and how the teams would change as a result of these hypothetical trades.
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Old 03-19-2007, 03:43 PM   #28
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Pistons would struggle because Deng:

Would go from being option 2-3? to 5 on offense. How would that work?

He can't shoot the 3, which is important when you're standing in the corner waiting to get a pass.

Nearly all of Tay's blocks are in transition

Tay is the only who can finish in transition, I'll assume Deng can too, maybe I'm wrong

I don't believe Deng can handle the ball? Tay has to bring the ball up and initiate a lot when Billups s out

Tay is a better defender

Tay is a better matchup, as in he creates a lot more mismatches with his length, post up, 3's, etc

Chemistry would be killed of course

Though I'd be intrigued to see Deng's slashing ability, but I can't think of any reason other than slashing, and it's not like Tayshaun doesn't take it to the hole, so I doubt it'd be a big addition considering he'd be 5th in the pecking order.
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Old 03-19-2007, 05:24 PM   #29
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Old 03-19-2007, 05:40 PM   #30
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I think the Pistons would especially miss Tayshaun's long arms on defense now that Flip's running his zone all the time.
Umm, have you seen the length of Luol Deng's arms?

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Again, you don't seem to realize Deng is 6'10" and lengthy as hell.
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