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Old 03-19-2007, 12:36 PM   #1
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Describe how each team would function if this player were traded straight-up for that player. And don't gimme any "salary doesn't match" crap.

Luol Deng for Tayshaun Prince

Corey Maggette for Ricky Davis

Raymond Felton for Maurice Williams

Mark Blount for Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Marcus Camby for Samuel Dalembert

Rafer Alston for Jamaal Tinsley

Anderson Varejao for Jeff Foster

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Old 03-19-2007, 12:40 PM   #2
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Describe how each team would function if this player were traded straight-up for that player. And don't gimme any "salary doesn't match" crap.

Luol Deng for Tayshaun Prince

Corey Maggette for Ricky Davis

Raymond Felton for Maurice Williams

Mark Blount for Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Marcus Camby for Samuel Dalembert

Rafer Alston for Jamaal Tinsley

Anderson Varejao for Jeff Foster

Go!

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Deng for Tay.

The pistons would lose lots of the great chemistry they have and lose the shot blocking. Deng is a better scorer tho. BUt it would hurt the pistons and I think it would also hurt the bulls the bulls more than the pistons tho.

CM for RD

I think it would help the wolves out and cm would be MUCH happyer if he got some playtime. And away from the coach but I don't think that rd is gonna help the clipps much. I don't think it would hurt them much either tho.
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:40 PM   #3
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Rafer Alston for Jamaal Tinsley



Oh my! The Rockets go on a 10 games winning streak!
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Oh my! The Rockets go on a 10 games winning streak!

Not really. Alston is a better shooter and a better fit for that team because McGrady would still handle the ball more than Tinsley.
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:48 PM   #5
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I'm going to give insight for only 2.

Deng for Tay.

The pistons would lose lots of the great chemistry they have and lose the shot blocking. Deng is a better scorer tho. BUt it would hurt the pistons and I think it would also hurt the bulls the bulls more than the pistons tho.

CM for RD

I think it would help the wolves out and cm would be MUCH happyer if he got some playtime. And away from the coach but I don't think that rd is gonna help the clipps much. I don't think it would hurt them much either tho.
I'll respond to your responses:

Do the Pistons really lose a lot of shot-blocking? Prince blocks fewer than one shot a game, and I believe only .1 more per game than Deng. I do agree, however, that the Pistons lose some defense, but gain some slashing. I'd be very interested to see Prince's post-up abilities in Chicago. They don't seem to be able to come across a traditional post player, and I wonder how Prince's proficiency in posting up smaller swingmen would work for the Bulls. Also, Prince has the range that Deng lacks. I'd really like to see Prince in a bigger role than he's in now, which is part of the reason I put this one in there.

I think a Maggette-Davis swap would help both teams considerably. From Minnesota's perspective, they get a player that attacks the hoop, which they currently lack. The Clippers get a wing player who can be quite helpful with ballhandling and distributing, which is a plus considering LA's broken point guard situation.
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Old 03-19-2007, 12:49 PM   #6
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Not really. Alston is a better shooter and a better fit for that team because McGrady would still handle the ball more than Tinsley.
I agree with this. Part of my motivation for bringing up Alston-Tinsley is Houston fans' tendency to knock Alston's point guard abilities, when the primary thing they need him to do is hit open shots. It can be likened to millenial Laker fans getting mad at Derek Fisher.
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Old 03-19-2007, 02:37 PM   #7
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I'll respond to your responses:

Do the Pistons really lose a lot of shot-blocking? Prince blocks fewer than one shot a game, and I believe only .1 more per game than Deng. I do agree, however, that the Pistons lose some defense, but gain some slashing. I'd be very interested to see Prince's post-up abilities in Chicago. They don't seem to be able to come across a traditional post player, and I wonder how Prince's proficiency in posting up smaller swingmen would work for the Bulls. Also, Prince has the range that Deng lacks. I'd really like to see Prince in a bigger role than he's in now, which is part of the reason I put this one in there.

I think a Maggette-Davis swap would help both teams considerably. From Minnesota's perspective, they get a player that attacks the hoop, which they currently lack. The Clippers get a wing player who can be quite helpful with ballhandling and distributing, which is a plus considering LA's broken point guard situation.

Davis is cancer. Hurts the team in the long run.
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all those players are the same and most are unimportant.

what if Kobe and Nash switched teams? Nash and Gilbert? Nash and Lebron? Nash and Shaq?
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He's not really a cancer. Please explain that.
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Although I don't think Biz Z would be rejuvinated in Minny, I could definately see him having a major impact on a number of teams. Think about him possibly coming off the bench for Dallas, or playing center for LA. Teams could really benefit from this guy. A comparison to Mark Blount (despite how well Blount's been playing) is hardly justified IMO.
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Old 03-19-2007, 02:43 PM   #11
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Maggette would thrive in Minny, Davis will just hurt the Clippers. I'd rather deal Maggette for Eric Snow and a first or something then get Davis.
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Davis seems to be pretty underrated, never notcied that before.
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Maggette would thrive in Minny, Davis will just hurt the Clippers. I'd rather deal Maggette for Eric Snow and a first or something then get Davis.

Yep Yep.

Man you know what you be talking about but we need to keep the snow man for ball control.
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Camby >>>>>>>>> dalembert
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Luol Deng for Tayshaun Prince!

Luol Deng is the better individual player whereas Prince is more of a team player and therefore needs pistons system a bit more. So I think Pistons will benifit slightly more from this trade.

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Corey Maggette for Ricky Davis

Maggette isn't the clearcut better player here but I believe the wolves will be better off with him. James, Davis and Foyle overlap quite a bit in terms of playing style and productivity, it's better to have some variety on the team. Maggette is great at penetrating the lane and getting fouls, that can be a backup plan when the wolves struggle with their monotone offence. Just stick him at 3 and push Foyle to 2 it will go pretty smoothly imo.

And it's a downgrade to the clippers.

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Raymond Felton for Maurice Williams

Maurice Williams is more like a shooting guard who plays at PG, whereas Raymond Felton is a pass first pg, or at least purer than Mo, and we all know how rare yet important passing pgs are these days.

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Mark Blount for Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Z can rebound, defend and has a whole set of low post moves, that makes him a better player than Blount. Wolves gain much more on this deal.

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Marcus Camby for Samuel Dalembert

Camby is clearly better than Samuel as of now, but Samuel on the other hand is much younger than Camby so I guess it's up to whether you want instant results or plan to rebuild. Since the sixers are clearly looking at the long run (if not they should) it's better for them to have Samuel.

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Rafer Alston for Jamaal Tinsley

Tinsley is clearly the better player, Houstons offence will benifit a lot with him being the floor general.

And it's no good for the pacers.

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Anderson Varejao for Jeff Foster!

An upgrade for the Cavs.
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