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Old 03-18-2007, 02:04 AM   #1
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With all the talk about Dirk losing the award in one game...And the Media love for steve Nash swinging the award unfairly in his favour it is fair to say the current method for determining the MVP is far from ideal.

Surely their is a more categorical way of determining the most valuable player.


I think a game by game voting system will work best as it takes into account all 82 games so the award cannot be won or lost by a single performance.

It also rewards players who are not going to win MVP award if they play a good game.

The way i would do it is have a 3,2,1 voting system...The best player in each game recieves 3 votes, 2nd 2 ect.

If this is done for every NBA game played for the season it is going to give a clear indication as to what players have consistently been amongst the best throughout the season.

The voters in each game could be...

a) The refs- Their as close as anyone to the action and can see who has influenced the game the most.
b) The coaches- Head coach and assistant Coaches could independantly give votes to the players they thought were the best on the opposing team.
c) The players themselves- This probably wouldn't work as some players may not vote for others because they don't like them..Pronbably vot for themselves as well.


Even if the current peolpe who decide the MVP used the 3,2,1 voting system...Eg having 1 rep at every game to delegate votes it word work better.
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Old 03-18-2007, 02:14 AM   #2
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You're assuming the NBA doesn't like this annual MVP controversy...

Your system would be pretty good and allow pretty much all players into the MVP race instead of just the media darlings on loaded teams..

But that makes too much sense so it'd never happen
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Old 03-18-2007, 03:39 AM   #3
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I think someone just needs to call the media out.. the sad thing is that coaches and players won't do it because they don't want to empower a player.. that says even more about how the league's offficating works. It's ALL a popularity contest. Which is how you have a fiasco like the NBA Finals happen..
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:30 AM   #4
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I think the meida is on point

Dirk, Nash, LBJ are all right there and they are all leaders on top teams playing well

what exactly is the problem?

had the Lakers not swooned Kobe would be in the running as well

and had Gilbert kept it up he'd be there too

what exactly is the problem?
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:32 AM   #5
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Default Re: determining MVP

Should there be another award called Play of the Year, just for the player who was the best INDIVIDUALLY?
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Didn't someone make a thread similar to this before?
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:42 AM   #7
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I think the meida is on point

Dirk, Nash, LBJ are all right there and they are all leaders on top teams playing well

what exactly is the problem?

had the Lakers not swooned Kobe would be in the running as well

and had Gilbert kept it up he'd be there too

what exactly is the problem?

Well Nash has been awarded the MVP the last two years and alot of people seem to be upset with the decision.

Half the basketball fans on this board don't agree with it and when you have influential guys like Shaq expressing his discontempt towards the decisions it blightens the award and those who recieve it.

Steve Nash has become a villain because the media have chosen to give him the award.

Even if the Media is making the right decision.....If a votes system is implemented it will undoubtedly award the Most valuable player with the aptly named award, and egotistical guys like Shaq won't be able to complain.
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:49 AM   #8
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Well Nash has been awarded the MVP the last two years and alot of people seem to be upset with the decision.

Half the basketball fans on this board don't agree with it and when you have influential guys like Shaq expressing his discontempt towards the decisions it blightens the award and those who recieve it.

Steve Nash has become a villain because the media have chosen to give him the award.

Even if the Media is making the right decision.....If a votes system is implemented it will undoubtedly award the Most valuable player with the aptly named award, and egotistical guys like Shaq won't be able to complain.

the media is most equipped to vote IMO

players focus on individual skill

refs play favorites. Can you imagine a Rasheed or AI in contention? The refs would straight hang em out to dry

Nash was a top player the last two years and compelling circumstance (turnaround in MVP one, and success without Amare in MVP two) pushed him over the top.

Nash ****** are often times either Kobe gropies, Dirk fellators or just people who dont understand the nuances of the game, and cannot appreciate the effect he has on the other nine people on the court.

Bottom line is you can point/counter point any player in the league today, and all the top stars are flawed.

Nash is in this group and his circumstance made him seem like the best choice, because the rest of the field really didn't separate themselves.

This year the Mavs have separated themselves and Dirk will win.

But the way Nash went at them the other night, circumstance is shining on him again

he's a lucky boy, but he is also good, and say what you want, he dominated the late stretches of that game between the leagues two best teams

and that is what MVPs do
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:59 AM   #9
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the media is most equipped to vote IMO

players focus on individual skill

refs play favorites. Can you imagine a Rasheed or AI in contention? The refs would straight hang em out to dry

Nash was a top player the last two years and compelling circumstance (turnaround in MVP one, and success without Amare in MVP two) pushed him over the top.

Nash ****** are often times either Kobe gropies, Dirk fellators or just people who dont understand the nuances of the game, and cannot appreciate the effect he has on the other nine people on the court.

Bottom line is you can point/counter point any player in the league today, and all the top stars are flawed.

Nash is in this group and his circumstance made him seem like the best choice, because the rest of the field really didn't separate themselves.

This year the Mavs have separated themselves and Dirk will win.

But the way Nash went at them the other night, circumstance is shining on him again

he's a lucky boy, but he is also good, and say what you want, he dominated the late stretches of that game between the leagues two best teams

and that is what MVPs do

I'm not saying the media have necessarily made the wrong decisions.

But thats what it is...a decision..and with that comes conflict.

If Every game had a 3,2,1 vote (Okay by media representatives) I can't see the award being given to anyone else bar the most valuable player in the league for that 82 game stretch.

Its not so much a collective decision now...Because the votes will ultimately decide who has dominated the league.
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Old 03-18-2007, 05:01 AM   #10
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I'm not saying the media have necessarily made the wrong decisions.

But thats what it is...a decision..and with that comes conflict.

If Every game had a 3,2,1 vote (Okay by media representatives) I can't see the award being given to anyone else bar the most valuable player in the league for that 82 game stretch.

Its not so much a collective decision now...Because the votes will ultimately decide who has dominated the league.


under this system, someone like Michael Redd, who is the best Bucks player every night out would win.

This is unjust because winning is a huge component to the MVP, and rightfully so as lesser players can dominate on lesser teams.

You want the best from one of the best
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I'm not saying the media have necessarily made the wrong decisions.

But thats what it is...a decision..and with that comes conflict.

If Every game had a 3,2,1 vote (Okay by media representatives) I can't see the award being given to anyone else bar the most valuable player in the league for that 82 game stretch.

Its not so much a collective decision now...Because the votes will ultimately decide who has dominated the league.

Yeah, but the 3,2,1 system might not work bcoz someone like Gerald Wallace would most likely win the award.
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Old 03-18-2007, 05:07 AM   #12
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I'm guessing the winning team would have the player with 3 votes on it..and often 2 as well.
If you have the most talented player on a team thats got no talent around him...Why should he be prevented from at least having a chance at the award.

I like this because at the end of the season when the votes are revealed theres going to be a huge list of players getting recognition for their good games. You can see where everyone ranks.

If someone like James Jones goes off one night during the season, whos gonna remember that when the season is over...If he receives 2or 3 MVP votes at least his efforts won't go unnoticed.

It will make players more competitive every night.
Might prevent players from tanking toward the end of the season as well.

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I'm guessing the winning team would have the player with 3 votes on it..and often 2 as well.
If you have the most talented player on a team thats got no talent around him...Why should he be prevented from at least having a chance at the award.

I like this because at the end of the season when the votes are revealed theres going to be a huge list of players getting recognition for their good games. You can see where everyone ranks.

If someone like James Jones goes off one night during the season, whos gonna remember that when the season is over...If he receives 2or 3 MVP votes at least his efforts won't go unnoticed.

It will make players more competitive every night.
Might prevent players from tanking toward the end of the season as well.

Thats why there should be an MVP award and a Player of the Year award, the POY award goes to the person who gets the most points, and the MVP is decided on how it is right now.
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the media is most equipped to vote IMO

players focus on individual skill

refs play favorites. Can you imagine a Rasheed or AI in contention? The refs would straight hang em out to dry

Nash was a top player the last two years and compelling circumstance (turnaround in MVP one, and success without Amare in MVP two) pushed him over the top.

Nash ****** are often times either Kobe gropies, Dirk fellators or just people who dont understand the nuances of the game, and cannot appreciate the effect he has on the other nine people on the court.

Bottom line is you can point/counter point any player in the league today, and all the top stars are flawed.

Nash is in this group and his circumstance made him seem like the best choice, because the rest of the field really didn't separate themselves.

This year the Mavs have separated themselves and Dirk will win.

But the way Nash went at them the other night, circumstance is shining on him again

he's a lucky boy, but he is also good, and say what you want, he dominated the late stretches of that game between the leagues two best teams

and that is what MVPs do

But he did it with the most talented tema in the league.. there are 3 legitimate superstars on that team.. what other team has that luxury? Nash is REPEATEDLY OUTPLAYED by his own temmates. That is completety contradictory to MVP... Nash's teammates make him as good as he makes them

I don't undertsand why this is so hard to comprehend..

Even last seaosn when people were saying how great Nash was to do what he did with ONLY Marion.. Marion was just as much of an MVP as Nash last season.. while Dirk didn't even have another all-star on his team.. same with this year..
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But he did it with the most talented tema in the league.. there are 3 legitimate superstars on that team.. what other team has that luxury? Nash is REPEATEDLY OUTPLAYED by his own temmates. That is completety contradictory to MVP... Nash's teammates make him as good as he makes them

I don't undertsand why this is so hard to comprehend..

Even last seaosn when people were saying how great Nash was to do what he did with ONLY Marion.. Marion was just as much of an MVP as Nash last season.. while Dirk didn't even have another all-star on his team.. same with this year..

When Nash is injured though the Suns fall apart. Which is probably the main reason he won the first MVP.

Personally i'm happy with Steve NAShs MVP's but when getting injured and leaving your team shorthanded contributes to your MVP chances their is a pronlem with how MVP is Chosen.

Obviously with a game by game votes system a plater cannot receive votes if he is not playing.
So it rewards those who play every game...And so it should.
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