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Old 03-14-2007, 11:15 AM   #16
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isn't wade # 3 to a # 1 shaq and # 2 payton?
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:16 AM   #17
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And Shaq doesn't carry the team. He rarely has games where he completely dominates anymore. Like last night, it was total team effort. That team is clearly Wade's team. The coach has said so on numerous occasions. Wade is the one putting that team on his back. Not O'Neal. Check Shaq's averages from the Playoffs and compare them to Wade's. Wade did everything for that team.

Do you watch games? Heat won 7 straight...
They also beat healthy wizard twice, Jazz and Pistons.

Again, Shaq's influence is way more than your stat sheet can say.
You really think Wade can have stat near as good as he did in the playoff if they don't have Shaw to draw the double team?
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:16 AM   #18
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Default Re: Shaq>wade still?

again, i already conceded miami is wade's team, is not even close really and even shaq knows it and admits as much as it hurts his ego, but the season doesn't end with a ring without shaq, is as simple as that, the heat probably lost to chicago without shaq, and even if you can't understand that wade can, which is what matters here.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:17 AM   #19
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He played damn near the entire year averaging what he was averaging WITHOUT Shaq ... dumb ass. Check the numbers. He got injured just when Shaq got back.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:17 AM   #20
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Default Re: Shaq>wade still?

again, i already conceded miami is wade's team, is not even close really and even shaq knows it and admits as much as it hurts his ego, but the season doesn't end with a ring without shaq, is as simple as that, the heat probably lose to chicago without shaq, and even if you can't understand that, wade can, which is what matters here.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:21 AM   #21
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again, i already conceded miami is wade's team, is not even close really and even shaq knows it and admits as much as it hurts his ego, but the season doesn't end with a ring without shaq, is as simple as that, the heat probably lose to chicago without shaq, and even if you can't understand that, wade can, which is what matters here.

I do know that Miami is Wade's team. But listen to this kid. he's denying Shaq's influence in the game and put all the credit to Wade. Simplely ignorant.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:22 AM   #22
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He played damn near the entire year averaging what he was averaging WITHOUT Shaq ... dumb ass. Check the numbers. He got injured just when Shaq got back.


Too bad you are shallow and only can see the numbers.

btw I was talking about playoff....just like you did.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:23 AM   #23
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Well I can guarantee you without shaq wade would not have that ring.

Is shaq still the best center in the League?

I'm not talking about stats I'm talking about carrying the team.

And without Worthy and Kareem Magic wouldn't have the rings. Without McHale and DJ Bird wouldn't have the rings. Etc. etc.

What's your point? That star players need other capable players around them to win? congrats on stating the obvious! It doesn't mean current Shaq is BETTER than Wade genius.

As to your other "point" about the Heat winning without Wade. Do you really think they have a shot at the title without Dwyane Wade?
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:23 AM   #24
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Default Re: Shaq>wade still?

If it weren't for Shaq the Heat don't go far into the playoffs last year.

If it weren't for D-Wade the Heat don't win the title.

I mean, it's D-Wade's team now, and after Shaq leaves, and they need eachother, I mean Shaq is a man possesed right now, but that's the key, RIGHT NOW. Let's see how long he keeps this up. Mutombo played well when Yao was down, and they had a winning record. Yet no one questions whether Mutumbo is greater than Yao. Things happen, runs occur, but D-Wade is the man in Miami.
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Wade would have averaged what he did, regardless ... cause he is a baller.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:24 AM   #26
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And without Worthy and Kareem Magic wouldn't have the rings. Without McHale and DJ Bird wouldn't have the rings. Etc. etc.

What's your point? That star players need other capable players around them to win? congrats on stating the obvious! It doesn't mean current Shaq is BETTER than Wade genius.

As to your other "point" about the Heat winning without Wade. Do you really think they have a shot at the title without Dwyane Wade?
Exactly.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:34 AM   #27
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of course not, go check his nba.com link, the guy is averaging 16 ppg and 7 rebounds, he barely scored 20 points, rebounds in double figures or blocks more than 2 shots p/game anymore.

u forgot some numbers that makes a huge diference
26.6 mpg and .58 fg
its not like any 16/7 in the league

edit: btw hes averaging 25.1 points per 40 minutes (28.5 in his career)...when hes on the floor, hes the man

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Old 03-14-2007, 11:38 AM   #28
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Default Re: Shaq>wade still?

shaq being out of the line up for a considerable amount of time has put them out of top 8 and out of contention. shaq coming back and wade being out, the heat has been able to work around it. shaq is not a better baller than wade, but when he is the main focal point, he either dominates or makes the over all performance of the team balance out. with wade clearly the better talent, what does this say about his value over shaq's?
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And without Worthy and Kareem Magic wouldn't have the rings. Without McHale and DJ Bird wouldn't have the rings. Etc. etc.

What's your point? That star players need other capable players around them to win? congrats on stating the obvious! It doesn't mean current Shaq is BETTER than Wade genius.

As to your other "point" about the Heat winning without Wade. Do you really think they have a shot at the title without Dwyane Wade?

Hey man you can deny the facts. Shaq been better at carrying a team BY HIMSELF. And I think without wades "special treatment" he would not even be close to LeBrons level.

And to your other "point" about winning without Dwyane Wade? I would say put any top tier sg in place and you'll prob. have the same results.

SHAQ is the man.
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Old 03-14-2007, 11:51 AM   #30
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Hey man you can deny the facts. Shaq been better at carrying a team BY HIMSELF. And I think without wades "special treatment" he would not even be close to LeBrons level.

And to your other "point" about winning without Dwyane Wade? I would say put any top tier sg in place and you'll prob. have the same results.

SHAQ is the man.

thats right
Shaq + top sg = contenders
Wade/Kobe/Penny + another superstar(despite TD lol) = hmmm...nets?rockets? nuggets ?

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