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Old 11-28-2013, 08:04 AM   #121
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Old 11-28-2013, 08:17 AM   #122
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Not sure if serious thread. Lebron's 2009 season is top 5 all time for me. On par with Jordan's best seasons. Respect for Kobe, but he was never on that level.
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Old 11-29-2013, 12:58 AM   #123
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Not sure if serious thread. Lebron's 2009 season is top 5 all time for me. On par with Jordan's best seasons. Respect for Kobe, but he was never on that level.

About time someone said it.

I am bookmarking this thread because its the perfect thread to shore up my ignore list. Kobe was great in 03. LeBron had one of the best seasons in my lifetime; and yes, I was around during MJs entire run.

In the 900 minutes LeBron was on the bench in the 08-09 season (about the length of a high school season) the Cavs were outscored by 137 points. Which equates to -7.3 ppg (or at least -7.3 points/48min). Extrapolated to a full season this puts them around the 3rd-5th worst team in the NBA with ~21-23 wins. When he was on the court the Cavs outscored their opponents by 869 points or +13.7 points/48 min (which, extrapolated to an entire season would be the best ever).

Think about that for just a moment. He took a bottom ~4 team in the league and won 66 games. Fewer than 10 teams in the history of the league have won more games than LeBron in 09 with his sack of misfit teammates.
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Old 11-29-2013, 01:07 AM   #124
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And enough about Kobe's defense in 02-03. His defensive adjusted +/- was negative. He was a BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER. His M2M was great but his help D was laughable. LeBron's in 08-09 was 2.8. In fact, Kobe was 13th in the NBA in 02-03 in RAPM, at 4.6. TD led the league with 10.3 (which is a tremendous figure).

This is why we laugh at you Kobestans. Kobe has been a great player for an enormous period of time. But compared to the people you want to prop him up against he isn't even in the game.
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Old 11-29-2013, 03:57 AM   #125
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And enough about Kobe's defense in 02-03. His defensive adjusted +/- was negative. He was a BELOW AVERAGE DEFENDER. His M2M was great but his help D was laughable. LeBron's in 08-09 was 2.8. In fact, Kobe was 13th in the NBA in 02-03 in RAPM, at 4.6. TD led the league with 10.3 (which is a tremendous figure).

This is why we laugh at you Kobestans. Kobe has been a great player for an enormous period of time. But compared to the people you want to prop him up against he isn't even in the game.
And I'm inclined to laugh at people like you, who pull an advanced stat here, another stat there, all to support your agenda and present it as a fact. But of course what you have is another opinion, no more, no less.
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Old 11-29-2013, 04:23 AM   #126
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About time someone said it.

I am bookmarking this thread because its the perfect thread to shore up my ignore list. Kobe was great in 03. LeBron had one of the best seasons in my lifetime; and yes, I was around during MJs entire run.

In the 900 minutes LeBron was on the bench in the 08-09 season (about the length of a high school season) the Cavs were outscored by 137 points. Which equates to -7.3 ppg (or at least -7.3 points/48min). Extrapolated to a full season this puts them around the 3rd-5th worst team in the NBA with ~21-23 wins. When he was on the court the Cavs outscored their opponents by 869 points or +13.7 points/48 min (which, extrapolated to an entire season would be the best ever).

Think about that for just a moment. He took a bottom ~4 team in the league and won 66 games. Fewer than 10 teams in the history of the league have won more games than LeBron in 09 with his sack of misfit teammates.

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Old 11-29-2013, 04:31 AM   #127
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The amazing thing about LeBron's 2x MVP seasons in Cleveland in 2009, and 2010? Those Cavs teams were built perfectly for winning regular season games. So a lot of times they were blowing teams out. LeBron put up those asinine numbers, and usually was sitting either the entire 4th quarter, or at least a half of it if memory serves me correctly.
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Old 11-29-2013, 04:36 AM   #128
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LeBron has been better than Kobe ever was since '09 with the exception of '11 where I'd take prime Kobe over him.
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Old 01-07-2014, 02:39 PM   #129
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Not sure if serious, 2003 was the year Kobe played terribly against the Spurs in the playoffs and LA got bounced by them.

Did you mean 2002?

Kobe didn't play horribly in that series, IMO. He had some big scoring games, didn't shoot terribly (not that good either lol), and was the main reason they made a huge comeback and almost won in game 5, when Horry's shot rimmed out.

Still, Lebron takes this.

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Old 01-07-2014, 03:08 PM   #130
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this is clearly lebron
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:15 PM   #131
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:22 PM   #132
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Lebron is the better player, Kobe would of won more games
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:01 PM   #134
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Kobe has always been greater and will always be greater than LeChoke
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Old 01-07-2014, 10:22 PM   #135
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Default Re: 09 Lebron vs 03 Kobe bryant

Stats against the other 7 playoff teams:


LeBron
Boston- 28/6/6
Orlando- 31/10/7
Atlanta- 26/8/7
Miami- 32/8/7
Philly- 28/7/4
Chicago- 32/12/7
Detroit- 26/7/7


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San Antonio- 32/8/4
Sacramento- 33/10/5
Dallas- 19/8/5
Minnesota- 24/7/6
Portland- 34/9/6
Utah- 31/6/5
Phoenix- 34/8/6


32/8/4 against the Spurs with Bowen and prime Duncan, and also 33/10/5 against the Kings with Bibby/Christie/Peja/Webber/Vlade.

LeBron was obviously more efficient, but it's hard to go against 9 consecutive 40+ point games and 2 separate months of 40+ PPG. And don't forget that Kobe's competition was much better. San Antonio and Dallas both won 60 games, Sacramento just missed 60 wins, Minnesota and Portland had 51 and 50 respectively, and even the 8th seeded Suns won 44 games.
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