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Old 10-14-2013, 08:06 PM   #76
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

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Kennyboy getting contantly owned in his threads tho.

Gasol's a clear cut 1st ballot NBA hall of famer brah


pretty sure i'm doing the owning


proving gasols hof rating of 0.62 is .20 points below the average hall of fame induction rating




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Old 10-14-2013, 08:09 PM   #77
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

reggie miller and dennis rodman barely made the 2nd ballot

and theyre 10 times better than gasol all time
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:09 PM   #78
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pretty sure i'm doing the owning


proving gasols hof rating of 0.62 is .20 points below the average hall of fame induction rating




YOU AINT DEALIN WITH IT THO
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:12 PM   #79
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA hall of famer

Kobe was obviously the best player and the leader of the team. That said, you do realize that gasol's production was nearly on par with kobe's right? Does that mean that kobe is also close to being a "not real hall of fame player"?
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:36 PM   #80
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Even if you stupidly believe Gasol won't be in the hall of fame, he certainly played like a HOFer in the 2 championship runs. He averaged 20 ppg on 54% shooting, 11 rebounds, 2 blocks, and 4 assists per game in the 2010 playoffs. He was more impactful than Kobe in the Finals
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:42 PM   #81
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<-- Watches Pau led the Lakers in PER, WS, Postseason PER, Postseason WS, Finals WS in 2010.

<-- Watches Laker fans crush Pau.

<-- Watches D12 leave LA.

<-- UNDERSTANDS.
Be careful of that Playoff Win Share stat. Remember Kobe led one of the Shaq/Kobe rings in playoff Win Shares.
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Old 10-14-2013, 08:43 PM   #82
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Shaq won 4 titles without a HoF player.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:18 PM   #83
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Without a HOF teammate for NOW, dude. Gasol will be in the Hall.

And as I said, at the time they won, Bird, Magic and Jordan won multiple titles WITHOUT HOF teammates, too.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:20 PM   #84
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

Man, Pau gets hated on so much. No one thinks Gasol is that great of a pf/c from an all-time perspective. Obviously Drobb, Hakeem, Ewing, Zo, Shaq, etc would demolish him no one is arguing that. He's more Rony Seikaly or Brad Daugherty than those guys.

But... THERE ARE NO HAKEEMS, EWINGS, ETC IN GASOL'S ERA. Kobe got the best 7 footer available in the market and you have to think about it that way. Who else was Kobe going to get? Dwight? You guys all think he's an "exposed scrub". Plus Gasol outplayed him straight up in the finals.

I don't see why we can't just agree that Gasol with his own team and no quality teammates is 1st round fodder or missing the PO's, but guess what... so is Kobe! Kobe needed Gasol as much as Gasol needed him.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:50 PM   #85
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

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you just owned yourself

btw thanks for pointing out kobe is the only 100% guaranteed hof'er in the nba


1. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 0.9999
3. LeBron James 0.9995
4. Dwyane Wade 0.9991
5. Kevin Garnett 0.9990
6. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9867
7. Paul Pierce 0.9827
8. Ray Allen 0.9663
9. Chris Bosh 0.9484
10. Chris Paul 0.8911
11. Tony Parker 0.8319
12. Carmelo Anthony 0.8167
13. Dwight Howard 0.8072
14. Vince Carter 0.7678
15. Kevin Durant 0.7203
16. Pau Gasol 0.6127
17. Tracy McGrady 0.5822
18. Steve Nash 0.5627
19. Amar'e Stoudemire 0.5560

the bold wont make the HOF


and dont you find it funny how durant has .10 more points on his HOF possibility than gasol when gasols nearly finished his career and durant has barely started his

plus.. durant hasnt done anything yet except win scoring titles. and even if his career ended tomorrow he'd have no chance ( with .10 points more than gasol )


infact. nash without his 2 mvps would have no shot at the HOF either


only guys who are hall of famers if they retired tomorrow on that list are

1. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
2. Tim Duncan 0.9999
3. LeBron James 0.9995
4. Dwyane Wade 0.9991
5. Kevin Garnett 0.9990
6. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9867
7. Paul Pierce 0.9827
8. Ray Allen 0.9663
9. Chris Bosh 0.9484
10. Chris Paul 0.8911
11. Tony Parker 0.8319

with a wild card exception for nash due to his mvps

which basically means you need around 0.80+ to make it


gasols nowhere close as far as NBA accolades


sorry. thanks for proving my point for me


The reason why Kobe is the only 100% HOFer is because Duncan, KG, Dirk AND GASOL are being penalized in that stat for HEIGHT.

After trying numerous models, my final model had seven predictor variables:

height (in inches)
last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
NBA points per game
NBA rebounds per game
NBA assists per game
NBA All-Star game selections
NBA championships won
All of the predictors listed above were significant at the 0.05 level. Other than height, all of the predictors had positive coefficients.

Using the author's method, the taller a player is, the more that's SUBTRACTED from this author's probability of being in the HOF. Note also that all-star game selections (basically a popularity contest) is used as a predictor but not MVPs or Finals MVPs. Please read author's criteria before using this as Gospel.

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Old 10-14-2013, 11:51 PM   #86
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

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Yea.

Before coming to the Lakers. Gasol was a career 19/9/3 on around 57% TS 22 PER player capable of being the clear cut best player on a 50 win team.

The way Kobe fans talk about Gasol is just shocking.

Why is it shocking to you?

Before coming to the Heat. Bosh was a career 20/9/2 on around 57% TS 21 PER player capable of being the clear cut best player on a 47 win team.

Yet you like to pretend he's on par with Lamar Odom.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:56 PM   #87
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Why is it shocking to you?

Before coming to the Heat. Bosh was a career 20/9/2 on around 57% TS 21 PER player capable of being the clear cut best player on a 47 win team.

Yet you like to pretend he's on par with Lamar Odom.
I could of sworn he was talking about his role has a 3rd best player in the Heat system. The same system that has Gosh shoot jumpsuits all game every game. More specifically it was playoff performance.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:56 PM   #88
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

Gotta give credit to the OP

Getting you clowns to qualify Pau Gasol as a HOFer as if that changes anything.

Even counting Pau as a HOFer you are left with Kobe ringing not once, not twice, not three times, not four times but five times with just one HOF teammate per title team.

Unmatched in history.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:36 AM   #89
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Why is it shocking to you?

Before coming to the Heat. Bosh was a career 20/9/2 on around 57% TS 21 PER player capable of being the clear cut best player on a 47 win team.

Yet you like to pretend he's on par with Lamar Odom.

In his 3rd option role in 2012 and 2013...he's been as impactful or less than Odom on the 09 and 10 Lakers

Also, Bosh isn't producing great like Gasol did in the playoffs. You think anyone would be saying anything about Bosh if he had a 20/11/4 playoffs? LOL
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anyone can make the hall of fame

as an ambassador, coach, owner, executive, sponsor, international contributor, pioneer, nba player, wnba player etc...



kobe had no other legit nba hall of famer

gasols nba hof rating is 0.621


the minimum to make the hall of fame is 0.83-0.84

Steven Nash will for sure make the Hall. His rating is less than Gasol's.

Look at some of the other players on that list that made the Hall;

Dumars with a .4673

The fact that Dumars is in the Hall destroys you. It's over.

Gasol has better numbers...same number of titles...Dumars only played 14 seasons total

Dumars is in. That means Gasol is a lock on NBA play alone. End of story. There is no way you could have Dumars in the Hall of Fame and Gasol not in...would be idiotic.

Sorry.
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