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Old 10-14-2013, 05:26 PM   #16
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There is only one basketball hall of fame. Therefore your claim is false.

And on NBA alone...it's very close. I bet he'd probably get in on NBA alone actually.

But this thread is so pointless. In 2011...Dirk won a title without anyone as good as Gasol. The hall of famer thing is just stupid of the hall of famer in question is well past his prime.


yes but there are classifications as to what part of the naismith hall of fame theyre nominated to


for instance.. yao ming was nominated as international contributer to the naismith hall of fame.. he wont go in as an nba player



i think after paus last few years bump his career average down to around 16ppg... he'l be floating around missing out on ballots for 10-20 years.. then finally make it as an I.C. hall of famer
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:28 PM   #17
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Gasol is a HOF lock and was the real finals MVP in 09 and 10. Kobe won both off of hype. Kobe before Gasol could not even win a playoff series in the 3 seasons he had and that was prime Kobe.
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And on NBA alone...it's very close. I bet he'd probably get in on NBA alone actually.

No it's not very close at all actually. Saying Gasol is a hall of famed without playing on the Lakers is like saying Lamarcus Aldridge is a hall of famer
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA hall of famer

Gasol is going to the hall. He wont be the least accomplished hall of famer either. Not even among bigmen. Or bigmen who made it mostly off the NBA. Walt bellamy is like a 4 time al lstar, put up numbers in college that didnt lead to much, didnt do much in the playoffs, and won as the 4th or so best player on an olympic team with oscar, west, Lucas and some others.

And make the team or not Pau has been an all star level player more than 10 years in a row. He was playing superstar bigmen as a near equal when he was a rookie.

Gasol isnt some all time elite. But hes a HOF level player.
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:31 PM   #20
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yes but there are classifications as to what part of the naismith hall of fame theyre nominated to


for instance.. yao ming was nominated as international contributer to the naismith hall of fame.. he wont go in as an nba player



i think after paus last few years bump his career average down to around 16ppg... he'l be floating around missing out on ballots for 10-20 years.. then finally make it as an I.C. hall of famer

It won't take 20 years for Gasol to get in. He'll get in very quickly. He's borderline on his NBA resume alone.

But what is the point of this thread?

Jason Kidd is a first ballot hall of famer. Yet 09 and 10 Gasol was probably twice as good as 11 Kidd.

So what is the point of this thread?
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:32 PM   #21
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No it's not very close at all actually. Saying Gasol is a hall of famed without playing on the Lakers is like saying Lamarcus Aldridge is a hall of famer

Without playing on the Lakers? I never said that. Why would we remove his most important years in the NBA?
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:35 PM   #22
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

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Pau Gasol lead a team to 50 wins as the man before Kobe did, post-Shaq/pre-Gasol
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I hope Pau gets some recognition from his teammates and the organization, because his teams fans continuously disrespect him.
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Pau Gasol lead a team to 50 wins as the man before Kobe did, post-Shaq/pre-Gasol

Yea.

Before coming to the Lakers. Gasol was a career 19/9/3 on around 57% TS 22 PER player capable of being the clear cut best player on a 50 win team.

The way Kobe fans talk about Gasol is just shocking.
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Gasol is going to the hall. He wont be the least accomplished hall of famer either. Not even among bigmen. Or bigmen who made it mostly off the NBA. Walt bellamy is like a 4 time al lstar, put up numbers in college that didnt lead to much, didnt do much in the playoffs, and won as the 4th or so best player on an olympic team with oscar, west, Lucas and some others.

And make the team or not Pau has been an all star level player more than 10 years in a row. He was playing superstar bigmen as a near equal when he was a rookie.

Gasol isnt some all time elite. But hes a HOF level player.


Your example Walt Bellamy is a weird example to use when trying to argue that lesser players than Gasol made the HOF.

Bellamy had a 32ppg/19rpg rookie year..

Played 14 years and has a career average of 20 & 14 and is one of only 7 players all time to have 20,000+ points & 14,000 + rebounds

Also when he retired he was 6th all time in scoring & 3rd all time in career rebounding behind only Wilt & Russell..
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Yea.

Before coming to the Lakers. Gasol was a career 18/9/3 on around 57% TS player capable of being the clear cut best player on a 50 win team.

The way Kobe fans talk about Gasol is just shocking.

You would think they would bow down to Gasol after saving the Lakers for 3 seasons of prime Kobe failing to even get them a playoff series win and then also for Gasol outplaying Kobe in the 09 and 10 finals.
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Default Re: the only man to win multiple championships without another NBA HOF team mate

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Yea.

Before coming to the Lakers. Gasol was a career 19/9/3 on around 57% TS player capable of being the clear cut best player on a 50 win team.

The way Kobe fans talk about Gasol is just shocking.


Kobe needs elite big men/rebound eaters to make up for his bricking
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Old 10-14-2013, 05:42 PM   #28
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It won't take 20 years for Gasol to get in. He'll get in very quickly. He's borderline on his NBA resume alone.

But what is the point of this thread?

Jason Kidd is a first ballot hall of famer. Yet 09 and 10 Gasol was probably twice as good as 11 Kidd.

So what is the point of this thread?

if thats the case then who isnt a hall of famer


how many guys in the nba dont around 4 reserve allstar games and a single 2nd team all nba

and his current average isnt even what he'l retire with

considering

2011 - 18.8ppg, 52%
2012 - 17.4ppg, 50%
2013 - 13.7ppg, 46%

he'l play 4-5 more years

projected

best case
2014 - 17ppg
2015 - 16ppg
2016 - 16ppg
2017 - 14ppg
2018 - 12ppg

worst case
2014 - 14ppg
2015 - 13ppg
2016 - 13ppg
2017 - 11ppg
2018 - 9ppg

no matter what.. his career average will drop from 18/9 to around 16/8

and worst case ( based on his current body conditioning ) ... his career average will drop from 18/9 to 15/7



so even with just 1 post prime drop off season. his career average is boarderline hall of famer


by the time hes retired.. he wont have a chance in hell at making it



shaq had a 27ppg career average... it dropped to 24ppg after his last few years of being tossed around hanging onto his playing days
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Your example Walt Bellamy is a weird example to use when trying to argue that lesser players than Gasol made the HOF.

Bellamy had a 32ppg/19rpg rookie year..

Played 14 years and has a career average of 20 & 14 and is one of only 7 players all time to have 20,000+ points & 14,000 + rebounds

Also when he retired he was 6th all time in scoring & 3rd all time in career rebounding behind only Wilt & Russell..
Impact matters.. Not inflated 60s stats.
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You would think they would bow down to Gasol after saving the Lakers for 3 seasons of prime Kobe failing to even get them a playoff series win and then also for Gasol outplaying Kobe in the 09 and 10 finals.

Not to mention the main reason Gasol hasn't been himself since the 11 playoffs was being forced out of his comfort zone by Bynum and then Howard.

He was a 19/10/3 59% TS 23.3 PER guy in the 2011 regular season. It was Bynum coming back and playing more minutes and taking Gasol away from what he did best that messed with the Lakers chemistry and Gasol's effectiveness.

He was absurdly good as a 2nd option from 08 through 11. And I bet you see him get back to producing very well if his idiotic coach can put him in the right position to excel.
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