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Old 10-15-2013, 11:30 AM   #241
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:36 AM   #242
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Pat riley and Phil Jackson. Two of the greatest coaches in both eras.

Analysts.
Larry Brown said he could average 50ppg. So did Scottie.
Players/coaches exaggerate.

If you told prime MJ to try and score 50 points every game in this era, or any era he played in, he probably wouldn't get it in even half of the games. Its like some people don't understand how much 45 or 50 points is.

People hang off what analysts and former players say on here way too much, as if to use ammo in terms of "you think you know more than this guy who played this many years in the NBA and was a superstar".
Well Scottie Pippen said Lebron is the best player ever. Then he said Jordan could average 50ppg in this era.
Mark Jackson said Kobe is the best player ever. Best scorer ever. This is someone who played against Jordan.

Why should we hang off the words of any of these players/coaches who have often been caught exaggerating? We shouldn't. They talk shit, and they do it to get more buzz/controversy, etc.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:38 AM   #243
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Its not better for guards. Its easier to stop perimeter players these days with collapsing defenses. Its easier to stop star players.

This shit will never stop. Once Lebron retires, and then 10 years down the track, nostalgic idiots like yourself will be saying he was 295lbs of muscle, stronger than Wilt and Shaq, a better passer than Nash and quicker than Rose.

Shit is ridiculous.

The best player in the game today, and probably one of the 5 best individual players to ever step on the court in Lebron James averages 27/8/7 today. What makes you think Jordan could average 45/5/5 today? What makes you think hes that much better than anyone? Its downright stupid.
Michael Jordan isn't avgerging 45ppg imo. I can see him avgerging 28-34 ppg if you swap rose with Mj on something like 52-55%. Pre 90s Mj had 06/07 Wade speed and quickness but taller with stupid big hands.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:42 AM   #244
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Analysts.
Larry Brown said he could average 50ppg. So did Scottie.
Players/coaches exaggerate.

If you told prime MJ to try and score 50 points every game in this era, or any era he played in, he probably wouldn't get it in even half of the games. Its like some people don't understand how much 45 or 50 points is.

People hang off what analysts and former players say on here way too much, as if to use ammo in terms of "you think you know more than this guy who played this many years in the NBA and was a superstar".
Well Scottie Pippen said Lebron is the best player ever. Then he said Jordan could average 50ppg in this era.
Mark Jackson said Kobe is the best player ever. Best scorer ever. This is someone who played against Jordan.

Why should we hang off the words of any of these players/coaches who have often been caught exaggerating? We shouldn't. They talk shit, and they do it to get more buzz/controversy, etc.
I agree they are exaggerating. I never said Mj would avg 45ppg today. The reason they are exaggerating through is to hammer home the fact that they think Mj would kill in this league. These are the same people who coached Kobe, Wade and see LJ in practice everyday. I haven't said anything about former players. I talking well respected coaches who have coached in both eras.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:45 AM   #245
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I agree they are exaggerating. I never said Mj would avg 45ppg today. The reason they are exaggerating through is to hammer home the fact that they think Mj would kill in this league. These are the same people who coached Kobe, Wade and see LJ in practice everyday. I haven't said anything about former players. I talking well respected coaches who have coached in both eras.

I agree that he'd be great, of course.

He'd be the best player along with Lebron and would average much like he did back in the day. Anywhere from 30-35ppg and do it on 48-53% shooting.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:49 AM   #246
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I agree that he'd be great, of course.

He'd be the best player along with Lebron and would average much like he did back in the day. Anywhere from 30-35ppg and do it on 48-53% shooting.

Wow something plowking and I agree with.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:52 AM   #247
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Wow something plowking and I agree with.

I'm not denying the greatness of Jordan.

I'm just saying people tend to underrate the effectiveness of defenses today. They allow less points, the game is slower, and hence, the defense have more time to settle and set up in the half court.
I mean, the one thing you're taught even as a little kid playing basketball is to get the ball up the court quickly before the defense sets to get an easy shot.

Jordan would be Jordan in today's league. No better, no worse. So, the best.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:12 PM   #248
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Its not better for guards. Its easier to stop perimeter players these days with collapsing defenses. Its easier to stop star players.

This shit will never stop. Once Lebron retires, and then 10 years down the track, nostalgic idiots like yourself will be saying he was 295lbs of muscle, stronger than Wilt and Shaq, a better passer than Nash and quicker than Rose.

Shit is ridiculous.

The best player in the game today, and probably one of the 5 best individual players to ever step on the court in Lebron James averages 27/8/7 today. What makes you think Jordan could average 45/5/5 today? What makes you think hes that much better than anyone? Its downright stupid.


It would all really depend on the team Jordan had and what role he had on the team. If he was required to take lots of shots? Why would you count the GOAT from achieving such a feat? If anyone could do it, it would be Jordan.

Hell, Jordan has one of the most remarkable triple double streaks that is better than any triple double run Lebron has come close to. What I am implying here is, Jordan did what was neccessary and if you challenged him to score 45 a game over a year, he would chase that and likely get it. We all know that we don't play for individual milestones, so I guess he might never get the chance to have that kind of freedom in a team scenario today.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:12 PM   #249
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Jordan himself would disagree. In one of his books he talked about how hard it is to average 40PPG. How Penny told him he was gonna average 40ppg after Jordan retired, but failed badly. Mike noted that you basically have to score 10 points every quarter, every game, 82 times in a season. He said it's nearly impossible. The amount of energy needed to be that consistent is just not there. And the defensive focus he gets on game to game basis would make it that much harder. There is a reason why 30-35PPG is the limit. That extra 5 is bigger than you think. Imagine asking Howard to get 3(20%) extra rebounds for 18RPG. It seems doable but in reality it is nearly impossible.
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Jordan himself would disagree. In one of his books he talked about how hard it is to average 40PPG. How Penny told him he was gonna average 40ppg after Jordan retired, but failed badly. Mike noted that you basically have to score 10 points every quarter, every game, 82 times in a season. He said it's nearly impossible. The amount of energy needed to be that consistent is just not there. And the defensive focus he gets on game to game basis would make it that much harder. There is a reason why 30-35PPG is the limit. That extra 5 is bigger than you think. Imagine asking Howard to get 3(20%) extra rebounds for 18RPG. It seems doable but in reality it is nearly impossible.
Exactly.
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It would all really depend on the team Jordan had and what role he had on the team. If he was required to take lots of shots? Why would you count the GOAT from achieving such a feat? If anyone could do it, it would be Jordan.

Hell, Jordan has one of the most remarkable triple double streaks that is better than any triple double run Lebron has come close to. What I am implying here is, Jordan did what was neccessary and if you challenged him to score 45 a game over a year, he would chase that and likely get it. We all know that we don't play for individual milestones, so I guess he might never get the chance to have that kind of freedom in a team scenario today.

That triple double streak came during a time where he was checking his stats after every quarter. Doug Collins actually told the statisticians to stop telling him, so he'd stop worrying about his stats and actually focus on winning the game.
So, no, it wasn't necessary.
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That triple double streak came during a time where he was checking his stats after every quarter. Doug Collins actually told the statisticians to stop telling him, so he'd stop worrying about his stats and actually focus on winning the game.
So, no, it wasn't necessary.
It actually came when he was playing PG for like half the year actually.
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Jordan himself would disagree. In one of his books he talked about how hard it is to average 40PPG. How Penny told him he was gonna average 40ppg after Jordan retired, but failed badly. Mike noted that you basically have to score 10 points every quarter, every game, 82 times in a season. He said it's nearly impossible. The amount of energy needed to be that consistent is just not there. And the defensive focus he gets on game to game basis would make it that much harder. There is a reason why 30-35PPG is the limit. That extra 5 is bigger than you think. Imagine asking Howard to get 3(20%) extra rebounds for 18RPG. It seems doable but in reality it is nearly impossible.

Wilt did 50ppg so it is possible, just very very very hard to do.
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Wilt did 50ppg so it is possible, just very very very hard to do.
We talking about modern era, not a 7 footer statpadin in a hollow era against against short unathletic white guys.
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It actually came when he was playing PG for like half the year actually.

Yep, and he was checking his stats the whole game.
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