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Old 10-14-2013, 11:46 PM   #181
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Default Re: Horace Grant: "Michael would average 45 PPG today"

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Unfortunately for you this article was written in 2009, and the pack the paint zone defences have only evolved in the last 2 seasons or so.
Wtf are you talking about. Pack the paint been happening for wayyyyy longer then that.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:56 PM   #182
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Default Re: Horace Grant: "Michael would average 45 PPG today"

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No you haven't.
You're saying there is no handchecking and it isn't physical in today's game because it says so in the rule book.
Then you say Jordan did face illegal zones back then because there are videos of it.

That's a double standard to start off with, and you're already losing the debate. You either set the standard with one or both of those being required for proof. You on the other hand are picking and choosing.




So have all the players of today, and they've faced more organized ones today.




There are plenty of videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-Z7BfkquvU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-VzBeOrdAg
Look at the first dunk, hand check on the way to the ring. In fact, the whole game he got handchecked any time he went inside.
2:24 is a clear hand check by Pietrus, with force, as you can see he pushes him. Any time Lebron got inside the 3 point line, handchecked.


There are videos of Kobe as well, same shit. Getting handchecked.
This kid

He doesn't even know what handchecking is
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:08 AM   #183
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The percentage of points MJ scored from the post comparatively to the rest of the floor would be tiny.
Magic slightly more, and Bird probably with the largest percentage, but even then...

It's all about their ability and how much volume they used it. Jordan and Bird had more consistent jump shots, so it kept defenses honest about how they would attack. Magic I believe ran more, but could also play at a half court game and still get a high% look, but obviously not with the same consistency of jump shots as Jordan and Bird.

Also, all 3 being great offensive player with high IQ is another reason it's so high. It's not like it's just because of an era's style.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:08 AM   #184
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Durant struggles when people get physical with him and push him off his spot. Durant isn't even a explosive scorer. Kobe and MJ are the only two perimeter player who are rediculous explosive scorer and could shoot 50 or better for that streak. Durant would score in any era through but his free throws(which is one of the reason for his high ts%) would go down. Also Durant true to protect his FG%

If Lebron and World Peace aren't knocking him off of his spot then who is? Durant doesn't need a spot. If you try to push him off of his spot he's definitely blowing by the defender. Kobe wasn't that much of an explosive scorer at 24 years old, was he??? It wasn't until he was like 27 years old. The thing about Durant is that his shot is rarely off. Durant is in the Kareem zone of unstoppable shot. Its only going to get better and he shoots better than MJ or Kobe already. Doesn't create or have moves like them but does he really need that?
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:23 AM   #185
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This kid

He doesn't even know what handchecking is

Great, another d!ck rider.

He'll talk the whole time, but he can't explain anything himself.

Good job hype man. It's all you'll ever be until you start putting words together yourself.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:25 AM   #186
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Default Re: Horace Grant: "Michael would average 45 PPG today"

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Unfortunately for you this article was written in 2009, and the pack the paint zone defences have only evolved in the last 2 seasons or so.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:27 AM   #187
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It's all about their ability and how much volume they used it. Jordan and Bird had more consistent jump shots, so it kept defenses honest about how they would attack. Magic I believe ran more, but could also play at a half court game and still get a high% look, but obviously not with the same consistency of jump shots as Jordan and Bird.

Also, all 3 being great offensive player with high IQ is another reason it's so high. It's not like it's just because of an era's style.

It is due to the era though.

You play basketball a specific way, and it will churn out a specific style and mean of stats.
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Old 10-15-2013, 12:31 AM   #188
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If Lebron and World Peace aren't knocking him off of his spot then who is? Durant doesn't need a spot. If you try to push him off of his spot he's definitely blowing by the defender. Kobe wasn't that much of an explosive scorer at 24 years old, was he??? It wasn't until he was like 27 years old. The thing about Durant is that his shot is rarely off. Durant is in the Kareem zone of unstoppable shot. Its only going to get better and he shoots better than MJ or Kobe already. Doesn't create or have moves like them but does he really need that?
He would get handchecked on his drives. Durant shot can be off but still get off from fts.That ripped through move and those tic tact fouls. Kobe had his 40 or streak in 03 he was explosive. Durant would score in any era through he is that great. Durant never scored 35 ppg on 60%ts being the only featured man on your team. You can't compare Mj to Durant has scorers. Mj was putting up 50+ games at age 39 with no knees and moved like a snail. Durant can barly crack 50 more than twice. I want to see Durant this season through he about to enter his prime basically and his body looks bigger this year. We will see in 2 years. Also look at playoffs stats too. Has KD ever been that explosive in the playoffs.
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Default Re: Horace Grant: "Michael would average 45 PPG today"

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Great, another d!ck rider.

He'll talk the whole time, but he can't explain anything himself.

Good job hype man. It's all you'll ever be until you start putting words together yourself.
Bruh, if I really gotta explain how 90's handchecking is different from what you claim is handchecking in those youtube videos

Either you're being dense on purpose or you really don't know hoops and maybe you should stick to Austrailian rules footy

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Old 10-15-2013, 12:43 AM   #191
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Default Re: Horace Grant: "Michael would average 45 PPG today"

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Kevin Durant isnt a crazy explosive scorer.. hes super consistent though. I can see you dogging him as an overall player compared to Mike.. but just talking scoring? KD's best scoring seasons in only 6 first years..

28ppg on 65TS
28ppg on 61TS
30ppg on 61TS

Jordan in his early years scored on 3ish ppg more volume but his overall efficiency was 59, 53, 56, 60, 61... and for his whole career Jordan only shot over 60TS four times in 15+ seasons.

Durant has already done it 3 out of 6 years... And Durant already has a peak TS four points higher than MJ's peak efficiency season.


MJ>durant for volume but is going to get roasted in overall efficiency by the end of this comparison. MJ stans gonna be running from TS like its the plague. even though it determines overall points per possession and is the real big picture of efficiency.

Do we really think Jordan isn't eclipsing Durant's peak TS if he cut back his regular 22+ FGA per game to about 18 like Durant and then got 9-10 FTAs per game, something that a jump shooter like Durant can get?
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Bruh, if I really gotta explain how 90's handchecking is different from what you claim is handchecking in those youtube videos

Either you're being dense on purpose or you really don't know hoops and maybe you should stick to Austrailian rules footy

Still nothing solid from you. You've actually added nothing to this discussion with 3 posts. Keep going.

Go on and show me what the difference is. You still haven't.
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3 more ppg? No, MJ was averaging 5-7 more ppg on 60-61% TS. And if you just compare their best scoring seasons, it's 30 ppg/60% TS for KD versus 35 ppg/60+% TS for MJ. Not really close. 5-7 ppg is a huge gap, and I shudder to think what Jordan would have shot from the field and in terms of TS% if he only averaged 28 ppg in his scoring prime.
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In addition to the very premise of "TS" being utterly stupid. Hey, let's combine shooting percentage of guarded shots like FGA and 3P FGA, along with completely un-guarded FREE throws.

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Wtf are you talking about. Pack the paint been happening for wayyyyy longer then that.

You are a dolt, the current schemes ran by elite defences have only recently evolved from the 2001 rule change.
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Old 10-15-2013, 01:34 AM   #195
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Durant would be a top 3 scorer in any era, but we need to take his TS% with a grain of salt. Nobody in the history of the league has gotten more BS calls than him. Nobody. All Durant has to do to get a call is put the ball on the floor, flail his arms around(or look awkward) and the refs will blow the whistle. Contact is completely unnecessary. If he got officiated like any other star in the league, his TS% would drop 3-5 points, at least.
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