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Old 10-01-2013, 12:33 AM   #31
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It's easy to sit here and judge an OLB on every snap and say, "he only got pressure a couple times in "x" drop-backs." It means basically nothing without context. If this was a bad performance by Mingo, what is an average game for OLB? Considering most guys don't average anything close to a sack per game, how the hell could this be a poor performance?

I think you're smart enough to know that not all sacks are created equal. You can be a force all night and not register a sack and you can be invisible most of the game and clean up for one sack.

You can only judge the player for the snaps he plays. What context needs to be used on the pass rushes? I already factored in not giving him a negative for the quick 3 step passes. The film doesn't lie. It's there for anyone to see.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:52 AM   #32
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I think you're smart enough to know that not all sacks are created equal. You can be a force all night and not register a sack and you can be invisible most of the game and clean up for one sack.

You can only judge the player for the snaps he plays. What context needs to be used on the pass rushes? I already factored in not giving him a negative for the quick 3 step passes. The film doesn't lie. It's there for anyone to see.
Where's the film? Is there a place where we can watch every play? I looked, but couldn't find it.

I haven't watched the sack since I saw it live, but if Mingo was the only guy who was able to shake loose and run down Dalton before he could cross the line of scrimmage or throw the ball away, I don't really see how that isn't a valuable trait.

And, context absolutely does matter when you're judging a guy on every snap. Most people never watch football that way. You watch the football and notice guys when they become part of the play. So, the question is, what is an acceptable percentage of plays an OLB needs to get pressure on for it to be considered an average game? And, the percentage for it to be a good game?

Surely, you could watch every player in the league on every play and, especially for pass-rushers, the majority of them will not be sacks or pressures. Looking around the 'net, Mingo seems to be getting nothing but praise for his performance yesterday. Now, I'm not saying all those people are absolutely correct, but it's odd that perception varies so widely.
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Old 10-01-2013, 12:55 AM   #33
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The pirate bay has the game up as a torrent, just type in Browns.
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Old 10-04-2013, 11:37 AM   #34
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Mingo played a better game tonight.

He did a poor job on the huge Spiller run and one other run but he had some "wins" in the run game as well, and a few where he did his job. He was a presence in the run game, for sure.

His pass rush is still raw. He had a clean "win" and three other pressues.....but he also got absolutely nothing on 15 other pure pass rush attempts (not counting 3 step drops)

I would be shocked if he graded negatively in the game by PFF for his overall game. Above average run defense, a positive play in the pass defense and an average night pass rushing would be my take.
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No wonder we could never connect in Crew. You're such a piece of shyt trolled u cuz u trolled the crew;even
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1.Eric Fisher, T, Kansas City Chiefs
Grade: -11.3
Snaps: 321
Analysis: It hasn’t been pretty has it? The Chiefs’ offensive line has been a problem all season and at no bigger spot than right tackle. Fisher may well develop into a man worthy of the first overall pick, but right now his only saving grace is that he’s not as bad as Donald Stephenson. Currently our third-lowest ranked right tackle.

2. Luke Joeckel, T, Jacksonville Jaguars
Grade: -6.1
Snaps: 280
Analysis: The Jaguars got a glimpse of their left tackle of the future and it wasn’t always encouraging. Now on injured reserve, the team will be hoping he comes back better for the experiences of his rookie year.

3. Dion Jordan, DE, Miami Dolphins
Grade: +4.2
Snaps: 101
Analysis: A nice grade but that all came in one game as he got extra duty against the Falcons’ struggling offensive tackles. He is, off course, limited by being a purely situational guy so he’s dependent on the Dolphins getting the kind of lead that forces teams to go pass-heavy.

4. Lane Johnson, T, Philadelphia Eagles
Grade: -7.5
Snaps: 436
Analysis: Has struggled with his pass blocking throughout the year but has seemed to improve (even in that regard) after a rough three-game stretch between Weeks 2 and 5. Since then he’s allowed six quarterback disruptions after allowing 19 in the first four weeks.

5. Ezekial Ansah, DE, Detroit Lions
Grade: -0.2
Snaps: 288
Analysis: We always tell people not to be fooled by the sack numbers. Four is a good return for a rookie, but we’d have a better pass rush grade with more total pressure. As it is, he’s 21st out of 37 qualifying 4-3 defensive ends in our Pass Rushing Productivity stat. Still, run defense has been above average.

6. Barkevious Mingo, OLB, Cleveland Browns
Grade: -2.6
Snaps: 280
Analysis: Much like the man before him, don’t read too much into his sack totals. He’s not the player Jabaal Sheard is right now and it would be right for him to see his snap count drop when Sheard gets back. Only three outside linebackers have lower Pass Rushing Productivity scores.

7. Jonathan Cooper, G, Arizona Cardinals
Grade: n/a
Snaps: n/a
Analysis: Put on injured reserve during preseason.

8. Tavon Austin, WR, St Louis Rams
Grade: -3.7
Snaps: 222
Analysis: Let’s not write him off yet. He’s a slot receiver and his playing time versus Houston was limited because the Rams’ lead meant they only ran 11 personnel on seven occasions. That said, he hasn’t impressed. Just two forced missed tackles and five drops with a 6.6 yards per catch average. A risky pick is looking riskier.

9. Dee Milliner, CB, New York Jets
Grade: -2.0
Snaps: 128
Analysis: With two touchdowns allowed and some blown assignments, Milliner earned himself a benching. Came back but a hamstring injury has kept him out since Week 3. Will want to be playing better when he returns.

10. Chance Warmack, G, Tennessee Titans
Grade: -6.8
Snaps: 401
Analysis: Hasn’t taken the league by storm has he? It’s easier for people to blame Chris Johnson but Warmack has earned a negative grade for his run blocking and has the eighth lowest grade in pass protection. Proof of the gap between college and the pros.

11. D.J. Fluker, T, San Diego Chargers
Grade: +5.1
Snaps: 366
Analysis: Has so far adjusted best to life in the NFL though it’s been for the opposite reasons as to what scouts told us to expect. His run blocking has got him a negative grade as King Dunlap and Michael Harris both outplayed him, but his work in pass protection has been excellent news for Philip Rivers.

12. D.J. Hayden, CB, Oakland Raiders
Grade: -4.3
Snaps: 266
Analysis: A mixed bag of things as a nickel corner for the Raiders. The obvious blot on his copybook was the horrible effort against the Broncos that saw him miss six tackles but he has been better since then.

13. Sheldon Richardson, DE, New York Jets
Grade: +13.1
Snaps: 324
Analysis: Our third-ranked 3-4 defensive end and leader in our Race for Rookie of the Year. The team might like more pass rush from him but right now his work in the run game really is quite exceptional, with 14 defensive stops there already.

14. Star Lotulelei, DT, Carolina Panthers
Grade: +5.2
Snaps: 184
Analysis: At one point he was the cream of the first round crop, now? Not so much. After his first two games he was a real contender for rookie of the year but since then has failed to make much of an impact against the run. At least not to a level that would compensate for his lack of pass rush.

15. Kenny Vaccaro, S, New Orleans Saints
Grade: -6.7
Snaps: 373
Analysis: A versatile talent he has made some plays, but unfortunately not all of them have been good. The team is asking a lot of him but the end result has seen him beaten in coverage for 167 yards and a touchdown on 19 targets.

16. E.J. Manuel, QB, Buffalo Bills
Grade: -11.6
Snaps: 358
Analysis: Too much too soon? Manuel, despite missing time, has been our lowest-graded quarterback on the year. There isn’t a harder spot to play in the NFL for a rookie, though, and there have been flashes of what convinced the Bills to spend a first round pick on him.

17. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Pittsburgh Steelers
Grade: -2.7
Snaps: 141
Analysis: Failed to make the kind of impression that would make Jason Worilds obsolete with just two quarterback hits and five hurries on the season. Marginally better against the run, but outside of a play here or there, really failing to show up. Will be hoping more teams leave him one-on-one with a running back going forward.

18. Eric Reid, S, San Francisco 49ers
Grade: +4.9
Snaps: 378
Analysis: Have the 49ers missed Dashon Goldson? The play of Eric Reid has meant the answer to that is not what many would have thought before the year. Three picks and a couple of pass break-ups have helped push him to eighth overall in our safety rankings.

19. Justin Pugh, RT, New York Giants
Grade: -3.4
Snaps: 386
Analysis: It looked like he was out of his depth when Charles Johnson worked him over, but he’s got better since and it culminated with a fine outing against the Bears. He looked anything but out of place as he controlled Julius Peppers and Shea McClellin.

20. Kyle Long, G, Chicago Bears
Grade: +0.8
Snaps: 391
Analysis: A tale of two players. On one hand he more than gets the job done in the run game, looking at ease there. In pass protection? Well you’d like to see him give up less than the 15 quarterback disruptions he has so far.

21. Tyler Eifert, TE, Cincinnati Bengals
Grade: +1.9
Snaps: 275
Analysis: The Bengals haven’t been shy about getting him on the field with their love of 12 personnel, but with just 26 targets he’s not proven an integral part of the team’s passing attack. Two dropped passes haven’t helped his cause.

22. Desmond Trufant, CB, Atlanta Falcons
Grade: +2.6
Snaps: 308
Analysis: Has broken up a pass in each game and while he hasn’t exactly put wide receivers on notice, he’s looked comfortable out there. An upgrade for the Falcons already, but they might want to see that zero in the interception column change.

23. Shariff Floyd, DT, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: -2.4
Snaps: 136
Analysis: Quiet so far. Has generated a decent amount of pressure (seven quarterback disruptions) relative to how much he’s been on the field, but his -3.5 grade against the run is a good reason as to why he’s not starting right now.

24. Bjorn Werner, OLB, Indianapolis Colts
Grade: -2.8
Snaps: 86
Analysis: The Colts didn’t draft him (or at least we hope they didn’t) to be an immediate success story. Now out for the foreseeable future it’s left to his peers to provide the pressure.

25. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: +0.0
Snaps: 249
Analysis: Coming off his worst game of the year versus the Panthers where he also missed his first tackle. Also flagged for a declined penalty but let’s not dwell on that because he’s largely done a decent job.

26. Datone Jones, DE, Green Bay Packers
Grade: -4.9
Snaps: 91
Analysis: The situational pass rusher has generated much pressure (a sack and two hurries) while missing two tackles. Fortunately others have stepped up but it’s concerning that he’s not made a case for more playing time.

27. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Houston Texans
Grade: +0.6
Snaps: 421
Analysis: It was all going so well at the start of the year but as the team has imploded he has been caught up in the storm somewhat. He’s played well when given the opportunity but with just 12 targets in the past three game his role has been reduced.

28. Sylvester Williams, DT, Denver Broncos
Grade: -2.4
Snaps: 68
Analysis: Way down the Broncos’ depth chart, seeing less snaps than four other defensive tackles. Just the one hit so far and failing to make much of an impact against the run when on the field. Very quiet.

29. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Minnesota Vikings
Grade: +2.3
Snaps: 63
Analysis: Has so far managed just 14 snaps more than Joe Webb. That gives you an indication of how reluctant the team is to use him. Of course the play they’ve got from the quarterback spot doesn’t help, but you may as well file Patterson down as one for special teams now, and offense in the future.

30. Alec Ogletree, LB, St Louis Rams
Grade: -2.2
Snaps: 377
Analysis: He’s all over the field but that doesn’t always mean he’s in the right place, and can leave him exposed to catching our eye (such as with seven missed tackles). But he has made plays, so the challenge is now doing that on a more consistent basis.

31. Travis Frederick, C, Dallas Cowboys
Grade: +4.9
Snaps: 381
Analysis: Every time I write about Frederick I make mention of how he has proved the naysayers wrong. Well no change there. Our seventh-ranked center on the year is getting the job done and cutting out some of the early-season errors that had some worried.

32. Matt Elam, S, Baltimore Ravens
Grade: -4.4
Snaps: 359
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Kenny Vaccaro may be a player whos impact will never be seen in stats. I mean the dude brought an intensity to the defense that was missing last year and hes letting Malcom Jenkins play his natural position.
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Frederick is the 7th ranked center in the league so far? Not bad, he's only had one bad game so far and that was against the tough Chiefs D.
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