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Old 08-21-2013, 07:56 AM   #16
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Cause most of MJ dickriders started to watch basket and venerate him after he retired
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:09 AM   #17
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Cause most of MJ dickriders started to watch basket and venerate him after he retired

LOL, congratulations on the dumbest post in a retarded thread.

Jordan was more popular than any athlete playing any sport today in the 90s. The only people more famous than him at that time would probably be Michael Jackson and Princess Diana.
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Old 08-21-2013, 08:16 AM   #18
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this guy is talking about ben wallace being more popular than jordan... why? because ben wallace was playing center in a conference without a center?
I opted to quote this passage for emphasis. I love Ben Wallace, but when a person was filling out an All-Star ballot in 2003 and saw this list under centers:

Ben Wallace
Dikembe Mutombo (36 years old, 16 games played, injured)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Antonio Davis
Brad Miller
Brian Grant
Tony Battie
Theo Ratliff
Todd MacCulloch
Elden Campbell

Is it really that much of a surprise that Ben reeled in so many votes? I'm sure Tony Battie and Toddy Mac supporters were furious over the results.

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Considering that this was the least prolific season of his career, playing basically at a "marginal/arguable All-Star" level and that he still received a comparable number of votes with elite All-Stars and MVP candidates tells me that he was easily among the very most popular players in the league. Even more so if you consider that lots of people were asking Vince Carter to surrender to him the A.S starter role, despite having got more votes (then, why the heck were they voting for Carter more?).
I really wanted Jordan to start and go out on top (though I didn't vote) but I thought the controversy manifested by media outlets was way over the top and out of line. There was a lot of discussion about who should give up their spot, whether they should give up their spot, and ultimately, disappointment when any given player vowed to uphold the fan's votes and wishes. Carter gave up his spot and still caught flak for not doing it quickly enough.

That said, I always was a little surprised Jordan didn't earn a starting nod. Though, AI, Vince, and T-Mac were taking the league by storm at that point - both in terms of skill and, perhaps more importantly, excitement and athleticism. It wasn't that people loved Carter more than Jordan. They just wanted to see a show, and Vince was a show back then, even having sat out a month and a half of that season up to that point.

Also... stupid Jermaine O'Neal...
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:16 AM   #19
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You got your shit wrong bro, no offense. You're mixing up the wants/view of the people with the media/ espn. The people wanted VC, hence why he was voted in there.

"Bro", I'm fully aware of the media and if I wanted to mention them, I would. But I know that lots of fans wanted Jordan to be a starter, too, and that they disapproved of Carter not wanting to concede. Which in the end explains why Jordan got so many votes instead. My critique targets the ones who voted for Carter but wanted to see Jordan, which doesn't make much sense.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:20 AM   #20
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Who gives a fuck... It's 2013


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Old 08-21-2013, 09:21 AM   #21
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Cause most of MJ dickriders started to watch basket and venerate him after he retired


LOL this guy here.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:40 AM   #22
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"Bro", I'm fully aware of the media and if I wanted to mention them, I would. But I know that lots of fans wanted Jordan to be a starter, too, and that they disapproved of Carter not wanting to concede. Which in the end explains why Jordan got so many votes instead. My critique targets the ones who voted for Carter but wanted to see Jordan, which doesn't make much sense.
Nah, it was all the media. Pretty much everyone I knew didn't want to see MJ starting and prefered T-mac/ Iverson/ Carter as the main backcourt. I was actually one of the few around my area who wanted to see Jordan in the ASG that year.

I had:

Tracy McGrady
Michael Jordan
Vince Carter
Jermaine O’Neal
Dikembe Mutombo

As my prefered ideal lineup because I wasn't fond of Iverson all that much (due to my Iverson stanning cousin). I probably voted somewhere between 50-80 times (srs).

But of course the media in the end sets the agenda and the false arguments/drama. See: LeBron vs Kobe (no contest, LeBron obviously)

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Old 08-21-2013, 09:45 AM   #23
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So, 40 year old MJ had almost as many votes as prime Iverson.

Iverson was one of the biggest names the sport has ever seen, and in 2009 or whatever it was he made the all-star game even though he was injured and he was a terrible choice...but the fans still voted him in because in a way he's bigger than his on court basketball game.

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Old 08-21-2013, 10:41 AM   #25
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Ben Wallace
Dikembe Mutombo (36 years old, 16 games played, injured)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Antonio Davis
Brad Miller
Brian Grant
Tony Battie
Theo Ratliff
Todd MacCulloch
Elden Campbell

This is the list of starting centers in the east
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:46 AM   #26
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Nah, it was all the media. Pretty much everyone I knew didn't want to see MJ starting and prefered T-mac/ Iverson/ Carter as the main backcourt. I was actually one of the few around my area who wanted to see Jordan in the ASG that year.

I had:

Tracy McGrady
Michael Jordan
Vince Carter
Jermaine O’Neal
Dikembe Mutombo

As my prefered ideal lineup because I wasn't fond of Iverson all that much (due to my Iverson stanning cousin). I probably voted somewhere between 50-80 times (srs).

But of course the media in the end sets the agenda and the false arguments/drama. See: LeBron vs Kobe (no contest, LeBron obviously)
With respect, what made you vote 50 times for Dikembe Mutombo? He was having an awful year. On top of that, he was injured for the vast majority of the regular season and for the near entirety of the All-Star ballot run (injured at the end of November, didn't come back until April-ish).
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:53 AM   #27
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With respect, what made you vote 50 times for Dikembe Mutombo? He was having an awful year. On top of that, he was injured for the vast majority of the regular season and for the near entirety of the All-Star ballot run (injured at the end of November, didn't come back until April-ish).
Easy.. Dikembe Mutombo is/was a great ambassador to the game.

Besides, I wore his jersey number in highschool (not by choice, but because it was the biggest jersey available.. 1-34 were all picked up by midget guards).
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:56 AM   #28
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Easy.. Dikembe Mutombo is/was a great ambassador to the game.

Besides, I wore his jersey number in highschool (not by choice, but because it was the biggest jersey available.. 1-34 were all picked up by midget guards).
Ohhh, so you were voting as a respect thing, not because you actually thought he was All-Star worthy, yes? Wouldn't it have been an empty selection anyway though, since he had absolutely no chance of being healthy by the all-star break?
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Ohhh, so you were voting as a respect thing, not because you actually thought he was All-Star worthy, yes? Wouldn't it have been an empty selection anyway though, since he had absolutely no chance of being healthy by the all-star break?
Ohhhh.. the **** are you ohhhing about?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at here.
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Ohhhh.. the **** are you ohhhing about?

I'm not even sure what you're trying to get at here.
I was trying to get a feel why Mutombo got the nod in your book. It stuck out to me because he had such a miserable season up to that point and was not even within the realm of possibility of being healthy for the game itself. As such, I asked why you voted for him. The "oh" was not meant in jest.
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