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Old 08-20-2013, 09:06 PM   #46
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:07 PM   #47
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He also trained Gilbert Arenas, Jermaine O'Neal, and Tracy McGrady and look how they ended up.
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He also trained Gilbert Arenas, Jermaine O'Neal, and Tracy McGrady and look how they ended up.



Them fools were all finished bums by the time they started to take the extra mile in terms working at their crafts.

Wade was All NBA last year, with a 24 PER.

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Old 08-20-2013, 09:23 PM   #49
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Wade was great, but never was he better than Lebron.

As Electric said:

Lebron James - 66 wins, ECf.
Dwyane Wade - 43 wins, 1st round exit.

Also the real stats:

Wade: 30.2 ppg, 7.5 apg, 5.0 rpg, 2.2 spg, 1.3 bpg, 22 fga, 49.1% fg
Lebron: 28.4 ppg, 7.2 apg, 7.5 rpg, 1.7 spg, 1.1 bpg, 20 fga, 48.9% fg

You were slanting it big time because you were rounding down on Lebron and rounding up on Wade, which is ridiculous.

Lebron's scoring was more impressive as he scored 28.4 ppg on 20 fga (1.42 pps) as opposed to Wade scoring 30.2 ppg on 22 fga (1.37 ppg). Lebron also was the much better rebounder 7.5 vs 5.0 rpg, and his agp was only .3 less (7.5 vs 7.2....not the 8 vs 7 lie you posted). Also Lebron was the better defender and lead his team to 66 wins and the ECF where he had 38-8-8, not 43 wins and a first round loss to the Hawks.

I didn't realize that the w/l ratio was a player stat...here I always thought it was a TEAM stat, silly me...
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:56 PM   #50
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I didn't realize that the w/l ratio was a player stat...here I always thought it was a TEAM stat, silly me...

Lebron can single handedly transform a team to contender by himself like Shaq, Duncan etc no matter how garbage his teammates are. Wade (and Kobe) were never at that level to be good enough to do that.
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Lebron can single handedly transform a team to contender by himself like Shaq, Duncan etc no matter how garbage his teammates are. Wade (and Kobe) were never at that level to be good enough to do that.
Cause he's a jack of all trades. A one man basketball team type player who does everything well. He doesn't excel at any particular area though. He still needed, much like Shaq, a dominant and aggressive scorer in the half court when the game slows down. Also a player he could rely on tight, clutch situations.

Shaq, and LeBron's personalities are very much similar. Their dominance on 3 1/2 quarters of a game are undeniable. MJ, Kobe, and lesser extent Wade can do a lot of things too, but they can also provide a niche and be dominant go to scorers, can flourish in mid range and win you a game. LeBron chose to side with Wade because of that ability. Gasol did the garbage work for Kobe. Kobe's niche isn't as easily replaceable.

That's why sometimes Bron's actual impact on a game can be enigmatic. He can grab you boards, or drop dimes that aren't always necessary. But when elite scoring is needed, he can't always provide that given his skill set. Which is precisely why some don't buy the hype of LeBron James, and view him as a player who isn't as good as the numbers suggest. A very SUPER Pippen, essentially.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:19 PM   #52
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Cause he's a jack of all trades. A one man basketball team type player who does everything well. He doesn't excel at any particular area though. He still needed, much like Shaq, a dominant and aggressive scorer in the half court when the game slows down. Also a player he could rely on tight, clutch situations.

Shaq, and LeBron's personalities are very much similar. Their dominance on 3 1/2 quarters of a game are undeniable. MJ, Kobe, and lesser extent Wade can do a lot of things too, but they can also provide a niche and be dominant go to scorers, can flourish in mid range and win you a game. LeBron chose to side with Wade because of that ability. Gasol did the garbage work for Kobe. Kobe's niche isn't as easily replaceable.

That's why sometimes Bron's actual impact on a game can be enigmatic. He can grab you boards, or drop dimes that aren't always necessary. But when elite scoring is needed, he can't always provide that given his skill set. Which is precisely why some don't buy the hype of LeBron James, and view him as a player who isn't as good as the numbers suggest. A very SUPER Pippen, essentially.

This is a great post. Thank you for taking the time to type that out
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:24 PM   #53
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Them fools were all finished bums by the time they started to take the extra mile in terms working at their crafts.

Wade was All NBA last year, with a 24 PER.

Next.


All I kept hearing from Miami fans was Lebron carrying the load for Miami, like he was back in the Cleveland days. What you're saying contradicts all that

Be sure to bump this thread when your team runs out of gas this year

Wade and Oden will be sharing a healthy leg by years end
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Cause he's a jack of all trades. A one man basketball team type player who does everything well. He doesn't excel at any particular area though. He still needed, much like Shaq, a dominant and aggressive scorer in the half court when the game slows down. Also a player he could rely on tight, clutch situations.

Shaq, and LeBron's personalities are very much similar. Their dominance on 3 1/2 quarters of a game are undeniable. MJ, Kobe, and lesser extent Wade can do a lot of things too, but they can also provide a niche and be dominant go to scorers, can flourish in mid range and win you a game. LeBron chose to side with Wade because of that ability. Gasol did the garbage work for Kobe. Kobe's niche isn't as easily replaceable.

That's why sometimes Bron's actual impact on a game can be enigmatic. He can grab you boards, or drop dimes that aren't always necessary. But when elite scoring is needed, he can't always provide that given his skill set. Which is precisely why some don't buy the hype of LeBron James, and view him as a player who isn't as good as the numbers suggest. A very SUPER Pippen, essentially.

Good post man. You know, the longer I've watched the game, the less 'stat-crazy' I've become. I often feel most use them out of context anyway.

Bill Russell said it best: "I used to break it down. There are 48 minutes in a game. It takes a second -- a second-and-a-half, maybe two seconds -- for a three point shot. And if you add up all the shots taken in a game -- free throws don't count because the clock stops -- but if you take all the seconds added up shooting and rebounding it comes to about three minutes. Now out of a 48-minute game three minutes are concerned with shooting and rebounding. What is going on the other 45 minutes?"
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:00 PM   #55
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Good post man. You know, the longer I've watched the game, the less 'stat-crazy' I've become. I often feel most use them out of context anyway.

Bill Russell said it best: "I used to break it down. There are 48 minutes in a game. It takes a second -- a second-and-a-half, maybe two seconds -- for a three point shot. And if you add up all the shots taken in a game -- free throws don't count because the clock stops -- but if you take all the seconds added up shooting and rebounding it comes to about three minutes. Now out of a 48-minute game three minutes are concerned with shooting and rebounding. What is going on the other 45 minutes?"

A lot of people use stats the wrong way. Most NBA stats are not for comparing players they're for evaluating players against themselves or within the framework of the team.

You can compare players with stats and it fun to do but with so many intangibles they're not consistent, everything has to be taken with a grain of salt. You have to have a pretty good knowledge base of what the teams system is why certain things are why they are on one team and why they're not the same on another team.
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Shut it, p*ssy boy. That's the contingent of dick-riding, vicariously living Bryant fanatics.

Down here in the Mia-YO, we aren't infatuated with the 'individual legacy'. It's all about the team.

Mario Chalmers could win the Finals MVP for all I care.

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Old 08-20-2013, 11:49 PM   #57
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Those Bron vs Wade games was nice! Too bad Bron ran to Wade's team
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Shut it, p*ssy boy. That's the contingent of dick-riding, vicariously living Bryant fanatics.

Down here in the Mia-YO, we aren't infatuated with the 'individual legacy'. It's all about the team.

Mario Chalmers could win the Finals MVP for all I care.

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Cause he's a jack of all trades. A one man basketball team type player who does everything well. He doesn't excel at any particular area though. He still needed, much like Shaq, a dominant and aggressive scorer in the half court when the game slows down. Also a player he could rely on tight, clutch situations.

Shaq, and LeBron's personalities are very much similar. Their dominance on 3 1/2 quarters of a game are undeniable. MJ, Kobe, and lesser extent Wade can do a lot of things too, but they can also provide a niche and be dominant go to scorers, can flourish in mid range and win you a game. LeBron chose to side with Wade because of that ability. Gasol did the garbage work for Kobe. Kobe's niche isn't as easily replaceable.

That's why sometimes Bron's actual impact on a game can be enigmatic. He can grab you boards, or drop dimes that aren't always necessary. But when elite scoring is needed, he can't always provide that given his skill set. Which is precisely why some don't buy the hype of LeBron James, and view him as a player who isn't as good as the numbers suggest. A very SUPER Pippen, essentially.



Too bad lebron stans can't understand it.
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Right. LeBron does not provide elite scoring when needed.

He would never, for instance, score close to 30 straight points for his team, including a gamewinner in a decisive ECF contest... close out a game with 10 straight points in the ECSF... utterly destroy a team with a 45 point effort in a make or break, back-against-the-wall game, having literally won the game by himself before the fourth quarter even started... score 15 fourth quarter points in a win or go home Finals game... or score 37 points in game 7 of the NBA Finals, including an all-important jumper in the final minute. He'd never have 6 or 7 game winning shots in the playoffs. Only LeBron stans can believe this choker would ever be able to pull off something like that.
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