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Old 08-20-2013, 03:24 PM   #76
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Inb4 Dmavs, Tony Montana, KG215, and Silk


Factual on point thread...Been exposing posters with this for a while.

Just missin one more poster...Silk cmon

Did I call it or what?
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:27 PM   #77
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Default Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10

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Is winning now a stat? Not that I have a dog in the fight about stats...I like stats, but now "winning/losing" is just..."stats"???
Ok... if you want to play that game.

Pau Gasol playoff statistics without Kobe..

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Shaqs playoff success outside of Kobe<Kobes playoff success outside of Shaq


Jordan without Pippen in series is 1-9 if I recall correctly.

Jordan was rep[laced with pete myers and his team only lost 2 less games.


There are thousands of other examples. Using regular season win losses, with or without a certain player can be construed to manipulate arguments for any angle you wish to take.
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:28 PM   #78
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It all depends. Of course Gasol did not carry Kobe.

But when a player (doesn't matter who) makes an all defensive team without evidence to back it up. The notion doesn't mean anything in reality in my opinion.

At some point...what is actually happening on the court and perception have to map. If not...I'll go with reality rather than confirmation bias.

Soo....Media votes for MVP, that's legit....Media votes for All NBA its not legit...Actually Head coaches vote for All Defensive team, not legit?

Or is it just that some ppl don't like Kobe, so their agenda picks and chooses wats important?
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:29 PM   #79
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Just missin one more poster...Silk cmon

Did I call it or what?
Who, exactly, are you exposing?

And if you're lumping me and DMAVS in with silkk and Tony, you've got problems. There's a noticeable difference in our arguments/beliefs and their blatant trollish arguments.
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:33 PM   #80
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Ok... if you want to play that game.

Pau Gasol playoff statistics without Kobe..

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Shaqs playoff success outside of Kobe<Kobes playoff success outside of Shaq


Jordan without Pippen in series is 1-9 if I recall correctly.

Jordan was rep[laced with pete myers and his team only lost 2 less games.


There are thousands of other examples. Using regular season win losses, with or without a certain player can be construed to manipulate arguments for any angle you wish to take.

You posted Gasols playoff record without Kobe? Inb4 "records don't count now cause its not passively aggressively dissing Kobe"
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:33 PM   #81
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Soo....Media votes for MVP, that's legit....Media votes for All NBA its not legit...Actually Head coaches vote for All Defensive team, not legit?

Or is it just that some ppl don't like Kobe, so their agenda picks and chooses wats important?

No. I don't think any of it is legit unless it maps with reality and what happens on the court.

I don't care if Phil Jackson says Dwight Howard is better than Lebron (which he kind of did in an interview with Dan Patrick when he said he'd take Howard over Lebron)....he's just objectively wrong and it doesn't map with reality and what happens on the court.

The evidence has to back the shit up. And, of course, Kobe's all defensive selections don't map with reality. That is the point.

But I've never been in favor of using such highly subjective things like that as more than just icing on the cake in arguments. They mean very little imo and that has nothing to do with Kobe. It has to do with the nature of the awards.
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:34 PM   #82
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Ok... if you want to play that game.

Pau Gasol playoff statistics without Kobe..

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Shaqs playoff success outside of Kobe<Kobes playoff success outside of Shaq


Jordan without Pippen in series is 1-9 if I recall correctly.

Jordan was rep[laced with pete myers and his team only lost 2 less games.


There are thousands of other examples. Using regular season win losses, with or without a certain player can be construed to manipulate arguments for any angle you wish to take.

Why are these responses directed towards me? Did I make the claim? Nope.

But even then...I think you are confusing arguments. But I dont' really care.
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:36 PM   #83
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Who, exactly, are you exposing?

And if you're lumping me and DMAVS in with silkk and Tony, you've got problems. There's a noticeable difference in our arguments/beliefs and their blatant trollish arguments.

Meh, not exposing nothin....I just know wats up....It is wat it is...
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:43 PM   #84
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Meh, not exposing nothin....I just know wats up....It is wat it is...

That would be like me saying;

Brans and tpols here defending Kobe...as usual...I just know wats up...It is wat it is...

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That would be like me saying;

Brans and tpols here defending Kobe...as usual...I just know wats up...It is wat it is...


Kobe fan in every Kobe thread defending the great one from haters vs You, a Dirk Mavs fan who is every Kobe thread?

Not really da same homie...
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:19 AM   #86
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Kobe fan in every Kobe thread defending the great one from haters vs You, a Dirk Mavs fan who is every Kobe thread?

Not really da same homie...

Heavincent and tpols are both Nets fans defending Kobe. As long as there on Kobe side, it's cool. If you root for another team and are against Kobe, something ain't right ?
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I completely agree, great point.
I wasn't trying to compare the teams as an "absolute" and only measure. I just tried to give people a rough idea that Kobe's best teammates were pretty comparable to other star's best teammates. Even if we consider pace, I don't think the difference would be significanty but of course there are a few adjustments I would need to make to the numbers to make it more accurate.

You're right, I should have included all 12 players to compare "deepness", but honestly it would have taken me so long to do...
Not only that but there are also the factor of stats being not what they are. For example...what does steals mean really? In 08-09, Spurs had very few steals and great defensively while Timberwolves also had very few steals and very bad defensively.

And blocks. Does getting many blocks means you have a great defensive team? Or do you let people penetrate so much (bad perimeter defense) the bigs are bound to get many blocks?
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Just missin one more poster...Silk cmon

Did I call it or what?
You guys didn't expose anyone through. what argument did you win?
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Default Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10

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Inb4 Dmavs, Tony Montana, KG215, and Silk


Factual on point thread...Been exposing posters with this for a while.
So, you mean Gino and his brothers?
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Gasol, Odom, Ariza, Bynum, and Fisher

Gasol, Odom, Artest, Bynum and Fisher

Was absolutely in 2009 and 2010 relative to competition a nice well rounded roster that fit their superstar, almost perfectly.

Are they considered stacked like the 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 Celtics? I don't think so.

Are they near as top heavy talented as the 2011 Heat? No.

Are they as talented and stacked as the 2012 and 2013 Heat? No.

But relative to the league in those seasons, they weren't some averaging supporting cast either.
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