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Old 08-26-2013, 02:40 PM   #1
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Default Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?



Big men are just superior. Deal with it.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:49 PM   #2
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Default Re: Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?

Nobody thinks that (same with a few other bigs), it's nonsensical. But Jordan probably comes closest out of wings.
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Default Re: Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?

How do us fans measure this?
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:52 PM   #4
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Default Re: Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?

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Nobody thinks that (same with a few other bigs), it's nonsensical. But Jordan probably comes closest out of wings.



It just bothers me when inferior players are ranked ahead because of rings.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:54 PM   #5
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It just bothers me when inferior players are ranked ahead because of rings.

Nobody's forcing you to read rankings, or even do them yourself. I don't bother with it.

If anything, make two separate lists for bigs and everyone else.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:54 PM   #6
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Default Re: Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?

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It just bothers me when inferior players are ranked ahead because of rings.


MJ impacted the game more than Shaq, If Shaq is more dominate then MJ, then how did Shaq only make the finals ONE time during the 90's when MJ was playing?

And its not like Shaq didn't have help.

If big men impact the game so much more than wings, then tell me, in a era that produced some of the greatest big men of all time (Shaq, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Hakeem) then why did none of these guys win rings when MJ was playing?

Why is it always an acceptable excuse for the ringless Malone & Barkley to say "oh they played in the Jordan era"
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:54 PM   #7
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Default Re: Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?

can you imagine Jordan beating Shaq?
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Default Re: Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?

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Big men are just superior. Deal with it.

But the media says that Guards are better
and bc theyre shorter have more skill
and that the great c are relying on size instead of skill like the smaller guards

Big Men are superior
Shaq,Wilt,Kareem,Russell

they dominated so much that they put rules in place to stop them
they changed Team Defenses,increased court size
Changed the very foundation of the basket and rim

But hey the media said guards are better,more skilled and
impact game more
even though a person like Dwight or Hibbert everybody wants and changes the whole game even though compared to others they arent even in top 50 in big men

Imagine a Shaq,Wilt,Kareem today
or even Ewing,McHale,Robinson
It would be Not Playing Fair
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can you imagine Jordan beating Shaq?


It's a team game played 5 on 5, not 1 on 1.

I think this concept escapes people quite often.
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Old 08-26-2013, 02:59 PM   #10
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Default Re: Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?

They impact the game differently.

Big guys can control the paint, wings control the perimeter.

Obviously Wilt would have more impact on controlling the paint with block shots or rebounding etc

Jordan is going to have more impact on the perimeter. Wilt isn't going to be closing out on three point shooters, or trapping perimeter players etc

A team needs impact from the paint and from the perimeter to be successful.

A star wing with role players that protect the paint and rebound can win a championship

A star big with role playing wings that can shoot and run the offense can win a championship.
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MJ impacted the game more than Shaq, If Shaq is more dominate then MJ, then how did Shaq only make the finals ONE time during the 90's when MJ was playing?

And its not like Shaq didn't have help.

If big men impact the game so much more than wings, then tell me, in a era that produced some of the greatest big men of all time (Shaq, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Hakeem) then why did none of these guys win rings when MJ was playing?

Why is it always an acceptable excuse for the ringless Malone & Barkley to say "oh they played in the Jordan era"

Shaq wasn't in his prime, Robinson had shit teams, and Barkley/Malone weren't traditional bigs since they didn't anchor their defenses. Hakeem made it twice and if his team was worth a damn he'd make it in 93 as well.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:03 PM   #12
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They impact the game differently.

Big guys can control the paint, wings control the perimeter.

Obviously Wilt would have more impact on controlling the paint with block shots or rebounding etc

Jordan is going to have more impact on the perimeter. Wilt isn't going to be closing out on three point shooters, or trapping perimeter players etc

A team needs impact from the paint and from the perimeter to be successful.

A star wing with role players that protect the paint and rebound can win a championship

A star big with role playing wings that can shoot and run the offense can win a championship.

Wilt isn't, but other bigs have/are. Russell, Thurmond, Hakeem, Robinson, Garnett, Noah, etc. They're more versatile and generally more valuable than guys who just protect the paint.
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MJ impacted the game more than Shaq, If Shaq is more dominate then MJ, then how did Shaq only make the finals ONE time during the 90's when MJ was playing?

And its not like Shaq didn't have help.

If big men impact the game so much more than wings, then tell me, in a era that produced some of the greatest big men of all time (Shaq, Robinson, Barkley, Malone, Hakeem) then why did none of these guys win rings when MJ was playing?

Why is it always an acceptable excuse for the ringless Malone & Barkley to say "oh they played in the Jordan era"

MJ impacted the game MORE than Shaq
you are stupid

Reason being Shaq got to one finals Jordan more in 90s
Shaq was a rookie whos team wasnt as great as Jordans
wasnt in his prime surrounded by going up against HOF
Type Centers
while Jordan had One of GOAT Defenders in Pippen
had great shooters and roleplayers
had Goat Defender in Rodman
and had good pf in Grant and solid bench
along with something called being Medias num 1 star and NBAs poster boy who was untouchable

What Elite HOF SG did Jordan face in 90s
Drexler and ?
Shaq went up against
Hakerm,Robinson,Ewing,Mourning,Malone

You go on about rookie Shaq,so how about
how come Jordan didnt get in the Finals ONE time in the 80s
same age as Shaq
What happened then

Individuals dont win Championships regardless of what ESPN and the media tries and has made you believe
Teams DO
otherwise Wilt would have won Everything
80s pistons wouldve won jack,60s Celtics arent winning,11 Mavs arent winning

Called a Team,The Bulls not Jordan vs Hakeem vs Shaq vs Payton
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Default Re: Anyone on here honestly think Jordan impacts a game more than Wilt or Shaq?

I think a Jordan and Lebron are just as impactful, because they do so much. To judge impact you have to consider how they played against the person guarding him. You might say, "Well Shaq averaged 12 rpg," but he's a center, he's expected to average around that amount, so you have to compare by how much he would out rebound a Luc Longley.

I mean in general a great center is going to impact the game more, but these are special circumstances. Very efficient perimeter players who can shut down the person they're guarding.
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Big men are just superior. Deal with it.

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It just bothers me when inferior players are ranked ahead because of rings.

Statements where a poster demonstrates that he's had his mind made up on a certain shows that there's not really much to argue about or waste their time proving their point.
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