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Old 07-22-2013, 04:57 PM   #106
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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Howard maybe, not Lebron.

Wade was a Top 3 player that year on Lebron's own team and put up 25/5/5 on 50%, how the **** can you get an MVP award when arguably the second best player in NBA was on your team and you had another all-star big man? And yet failed to win more games than some all-star PG with defensive role players and no other all-stars. Thibs alone isn't that godly, without Rose Bulls won like 45 games, so the fact you attribute everything to Thibs is retarded.

Howard himself carried absolute scrubs to like 50 wins and had no other all-stars.

Lebron had no case whatsoever over those 2 with prime Wade putting up nearly the same stats as him on the same team.
" he has good teammates " is without a doubt the worst argument possible. People punish players for being on good teams. Its almost like they would br better off playing on bad teams. Such a ridiculous argument
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:20 PM   #107
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2011 was definitely one of the closest years individually EVER...

You could have made an MVP argument for FOUR guys: LeBron, Dirk, Howard, Rose...

In that order (really close), hence Rose had the weakest, IMO.
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:32 PM   #108
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2011 was definitely one of the closest years individually EVER...

You could have made an MVP argument for FOUR guys: LeBron, Dirk, Howard, Rose...

In that order (really close), hence Rose had the weakest, IMO.
Dirk was not in serious MVP discussions. People say he was the best that year because of his epic playoff run, but if you look at his regular season in a vaccuum, it didn't really stand out. He finished 6th in MVP voting without a single 1st place vote for a reason. Personally I was most impressed with Dwight, but his team's win total didn't match historically with the trend of the award. Lebron declined all around from the previous year and was missed a TON of game winners as well. A bit disappointing relative to his previous two seasons, especially with the expectations of the Heat going into the year and the result being 2nd place in their conference. If you judge it based on the historical trend of the MVP, Rose winning it is not surprising at all. Unsuspecting, great numbers, #1 seed overall.
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Old 10-19-2014, 10:33 PM   #109
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Dirk was not in serious MVP discussions. People say he was the best that year because of his epic playoff run, but if you look at his regular season in a vaccuum, it didn't really stand out. He finished 6th in MVP voting without a single 1st place vote for a reason. Personally I was most impressed with Dwight, but his team's win total didn't match historically with the trend of the award. Lebron declined all around from the previous year and was missed a TON of game winners as well. A bit disappointing relative to his previous two seasons, especially with the expectations of the Heat going into the year and the result being 2nd place in their conference. If you judge it based on the historical trend of the MVP, Rose winning it is not surprising at all. Unsuspecting, great numbers, #1 seed overall.

Yeah, I remember this. Dwight had a chance of winning over him but LeBron and Dirk not so much.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:24 PM   #110
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Travesty to anyone not a Bulls fan. Yet, it remains history. Eat it.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:26 PM   #111
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2011 was definitely one of the closest years individually EVER...

You could have made an MVP argument for FOUR guys: LeBron, Dirk, Howard, Rose...

In that order (really close), hence Rose had the weakest, IMO.

Why did you bump this? Don't we have enough idiotic posts on this subject?
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:27 PM   #112
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It wasnt. Rose was the best player on the best team.

He wasnt a top 5 player though, but it happens.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:31 PM   #113
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It wasnt. Rose was the best player on the best team.

He wasnt a top 5 player though, but it happens.

this comment is ignorant. derrick rose made the bulls the best team, he just wasnt "the best player on best team" i guess jordan only won mvps because he was the best player on the best team right?

arguing a "top 5 player" accounts for prior seasons. so in concensus thinking in 2011 top 5 players would be lebron duncan kobe dirk and who ever else. But the player that played the best that season, rose was top 2, he just played better than everyone else whether you believe it or not, the only person you can argue is dwight really.

at the end of the day, in reality, he won the mvp because he out performed everyone. you making statements otherwise almost 4 years removed is just false and ignorant.

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Old 10-19-2014, 11:33 PM   #114
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

Not a travesty. It was a weak year for the MVP...I would've gone Dwight but D-rose winning it wasn't that bad.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:35 PM   #115
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

Why do people still make these threads? LeBron had no case for MVP in 2011. If you're going to complain, at least do it with a little historical accuracy and talk about Howard maybe even deserving it, and even that's a debatable point. Calling it a "travesty" though is straight up trolling.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:37 PM   #116
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Why did you bump this? Don't we have enough idiotic posts on this subject?
Its a contest.
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Old 10-19-2014, 11:53 PM   #117
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this comment is ignorant. derrick rose made the bulls the best team, he just wasnt "the best player on best team"
Exactly. Look at how all the best players played when they should have been the best team, when they were in Rose's situation with a new team. Lebron/Wade/Bosh a super team, Kobe/DH/Nash a super team, CP3/Blake/Crawford/DJ a super team, Durant/Brook/Baka a super team. The biggest difference - outside of the injuries, experience, age or knowing each other which all worked against Rose was that Rose made his team the best team with the best record. Not one of them overachieved.

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he just played better than everyone else whether you believe it or not, the only person you can argue is dwight really.

at the end of the day, in reality, he won the mvp because he out performed everyone. you making statements otherwise almost 4 years removed is just false and ignorant.
Well said again. Howard had two teams, lost the first one because the GM thought they were gutless. Nobody will win the MVP of two teams and the GM thinking one of the teams was gutless and the second team just wasn't good. And neither was Howard when it counted most. NOT EVER GOING TO HAPPEN and rightfully so.
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:22 AM   #118
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Why did you bump this? Don't we have enough idiotic posts on this subject?

Felt like pointed out the 4-man race it was/should have been... Maybe get some mentions on other years where it's been that close, or at least a 3-headed duel.

@ chazzy: I'm aware Dirk wasn't in the talks at the time... Well aware. I just think it's unfair.

These numbers present a HUGE argument:

Mavericks were 57-25 for the season, good for 4th best record and 3rd in the West.

Dallas was 2-7 (.222) without Dirk, 1-3 (.250) with a getting-into-shape Dirk, and 54-15 (.783) with a healthy Dirk. That record with him healthy would've been good for BEST in the NBA.
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:54 AM   #119
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Felt like pointed out the 4-man race it was/should have been... Maybe get some mentions on other years where it's been that close, or at least a 3-headed duel.

@ chazzy: I'm aware Dirk wasn't in the talks at the time... Well aware. I just think it's unfair.

These numbers present a HUGE argument:

Mavericks were 57-25 for the season, good for 4th best record and 3rd in the West.

Dallas was 2-7 (.222) without Dirk, 1-3 (.250) with a getting-into-shape Dirk, and 54-15 (.783) with a healthy Dirk. That record with him healthy would've been good for BEST in the NBA.

They don't present a huge argument at all.

They were on a road trip against 6 teams that beat them at home WITH Dirk! Plus they lost their number 2 scorer to further unbalance the team. There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't go through major problems without their top two scorers on the road. Its a joke to bring it up.

You have to at least get one first place vote to really be considered. If you don't get one vote then you have to chalk it up to just not knowing how the system works. Rose had over 110 first place votes and nobody else got five. Most people here on this board knew it. The only travesty is that literate fans don't know how it works. Different if it was close like most years - but it wasn't.
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Old 10-20-2014, 03:15 AM   #120
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" he has good teammates " is without a doubt the worst argument possible. People punish players for being on good teams. Its almost like they would br better off playing on bad teams. Such a ridiculous argument

way to take it out of context, Rose had worse teamates and managed to get more wins than Lebron with 2 other all star players. Hows that so hard to understand? You need to think about what MVP actually means.
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