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Old 07-21-2013, 03:02 PM   #16
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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Exactly.

The same reason why Iverson's 2001 MVP is totally justifiable, even if he wasn't the "best player" in the league. And no one really claims he was or Rose for that matter.

Who do you give it to that season? LeBron and Wade's numbers were the EXACT same. Even if LeBron was the best player he didn't separate his play and production enough from his own teammate to warrant serious contention. Wade was still playing his peak like basketball. And given the way the team was formed, he came across as very cowardly that year. He's forgiven thereafter for having to carry such a heavy burden in 2012, and 2013. But the fact still remains he wasn't unquestionably the Heat's best player in 2011. Even if retrospect of consistency tells us he probably was.

Same reason Shaq didn't deserve MVP in 2001. You don't get the award when there is a co-alpha on your team, like Kobe was putting up an absurd 29/5/5 and essentially being the team's closer late in games. Iverson was a 5'11 lone gunner and playmaker on a team full of defensive role players. His season in CONTEXT is much more impressive. His load, and pressure was much heavier.

Give it to Dwight? Why? He had more offensive weapons than Rose on his team, and he wasn't NEAR as clutch as Rose was all season. Derrick single handedly in certain games turned losses into wins with 4th quarter take overs and come backs on his shoulders.

Derrick Rose was a 6' PG having to play BOTH guard spots due to Keith Bogans spot up shooting, scoring incompetence. He was the lone scorer and play maker on a team that ended up having the best record in the league and totally surpassed expectations. Out performing a team that brought together three franchises pieces in the off season. Context tells me it's much more impressive than what LeBron could've done to win MVP that year. Inconsistent Carlos Boozer, whose stats declined significantly each month that year was billed as his second best player, in a desparate 2010 free agency signing?



Stay salty LeBron stans. Your boy DID NOT deserve MVP in 2011. The only one who earned it that year through guts, determination, and will was Derrick Rose. Jimmies are still rustled, sand still firmly in your camel toes. Get over it. If LeBron is clearly the better player (which he is) then take solace in that and stop being so insecure.
On Dwight: He might have had the offensive weapons that fit, but he didn't have the defense Rose had.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:04 PM   #17
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

LeBron didn't deserve it either. Dwight probably had the best case.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:09 PM   #18
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

Dwight Howard should have won it imo.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:12 PM   #19
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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On Dwight: He might have had the offensive weapons that fit, but he didn't have the defense Rose had.
They had the EXACT same pieces that allowed the Magic to be ranked the number 1 defense in 2009, though?

Dwight brings the most impact on defense, he's a big man, that's his side of the ball to dominate.

Rose brings the most impact on offense, he's a combo guard, that's his side of the ball to dominate. And he was the only reason their offense was respectable.

What's the difference?

Rose produced more wins, and lead his team further in the playoffs. Thus the MVP. Dwight's a clown, he wasn't the MVP of 2011. Rose even out performed him in their head to head matchups.

Rose played THE BEST against the top ranked teams in 2011. Stay salty, bro. No one deserved it more than Derrick that season. No questions asked.
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

Rose wasn't even the MVP of his own team, let alone the league.



If LeBron doesn't win it, it should have been Dirk. Dwights team was like a 5th seed. Meanwhile Dirks team was a championship contender(they ended up winning it all).

Dallas was 2-7 (.222) without Dirk, 1-3 (.250) with a getting-into-shape Dirk, and 54-15 (.783) with a healthy Dirk. That record with him healthy would've been good for BEST in the NBA. To educated basketall fans, Dallas playoff dominance wasn't THAT big of a surprise.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:15 PM   #21
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

the lebron fanboys despise rose for this

if dwight won it, they would hate him too

talk about living through someone else. im pretty sure lebron said whether he wins that ring or not, you'll still have the same problems you started with in the morning. he said that to his haters, but it applies to his stans too
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:16 PM   #22
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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They had the EXACT same pieces that allowed the Magic to be ranked the number 1 defense in 2009, though?

Dwight brings the most impact on defense, he's a big man, that's his side of the ball to dominate.

Rose brings the most impact on offense, he's a combo guard, that's his side of the ball to dominate. And he was the only reason their offense was respectable.

What's the difference?

Rose produced more wins, and lead his team further in the playoffs. Thus the MVP. Dwight's a clown, he wasn't the MVP of 2011. Rose even out performed him in their head to head matchups.

Rose played THE BEST against the top ranked teams in 2011. Stay salty, bro. No one deserved it more than Derrick that season. No questions asked.
I'm not salty at all. I just think that Dwight's impact on both sides of the ball >>> D-Rose's offense. MVP is a regular season award and h2h matchup don't really matter much because they play such different positions.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:20 PM   #23
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

Really? 2011 Lebron is the one MVP snub you're going to pick out? The year the all-time borderline-corrupt superteam was formed and basically stunk up the place, and then didn't win a title that year to boot - with Jason Terry outperforming Lebron in the Finals? That's the one that's a travesty?
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:25 PM   #24
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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Rose wasn't even the MVP of his own team, let alone the league.

Noah missed 34 games that season and the Bulls ended up 62-20, you troll.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:38 PM   #25
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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Noah missed 34 games that season and the Bulls ended up 62-20, you troll.
Seriously. Keep posting so you can school these clowns. Noah for MVP? LMAO ... missed 34 games, that's essentially half the season.

RG and his now never ending troll agenda against guards or little men who bring MAJOR impact to teams.

Rose's two next best players, Noah missed 34 games ... half the season and newly acquired Boozer missed 20 some odd games, a quarter of the season and severely underperformed even when on the floor.

Rose averaged BETTER numbers than LeBron against the top ten teams in the league that season, too. Clearly RG is bitter.
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

We don't "hate" Rose. We just recognize what a joke it is that he was gifted an MVP he had absolutely no case for. He should have been 6th in the MVP voting at best. LeBron, Dwight, Dirk, Durant, Kobe all had a better season than Rose.

Rose winning in 2011 is the equivalent of if Tim Hardaway would have won in 1999. Good player. #1 seed team, but really doesn't have any case for MVP of the league.
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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Noah missed 34 games that season and the Bulls ended up 62-20, you troll.

I was speaking about these Bulls teams in general.

I would much rather play a Bulls team without Noah than a Bulls team without Rose.

This year Nate Robinson was doing pretty much the same role Rose was doing to a certain extent. Not as good, but doing what was needed in terms of creating.

Chicago still took Miami just as far as they did with a healthy Rose(and the rest of their team being healthy as well.) as they did to a Nate Robinson and injury plauged Bulls team(5 games again).

Roses actual impact is incredibly overrated.

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Old 07-21-2013, 03:50 PM   #28
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We don't "hate" Rose. We just recognize what a joke it is that he was gifted an MVP he had absolutely no case for. He should have been 6th in the MVP voting at best. LeBron, Dwight, Dirk, Durant, Kobe all had a better season than Rose.

Rose winning in 2011 is the equivalent of if Tim Hardaway would have won in 1999. Good player. #1 seed team, but really doesn't have any case for MVP of the league.
Wade?
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

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Post all star break 2011 Rose >> LeBron

this gets brought up a lot, some people say Dwight shoulda won too.


I still give it to rose.
Rose: 25/3/7/1/1 on 44/30/88
Lebron: 28/8/6/1/1 on 56/30/75

Did the Bulls >>> the Heat in the regular season? Absolutely. But, at no point in their careers did Rose even come close to owning Lebron or even being better than him.
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Old 07-21-2013, 03:57 PM   #30
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Default Re: Derrick Rose's MVP was a travesty.

Tom Thibodeau's defensive schemes and overplaying of starters during the regular season were the MVP that season, not Rose's overrated chucking.
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