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Old 07-17-2013, 01:24 AM   #31
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Default Re: Pau Gasol is a top 50 player of all-time

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I'd have to look that up, but off the top of my head I can tell you Kobe has led a team to the playoffs as its only all star player twice.

Pau has done it thrice with Memphis.




Or to use ISH lingo, Pau has taken a team to the playoffs as "the man" more times than Kobe has.
Pau is 0-12 in the playoffs without Kobe.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:26 AM   #32
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0-16 actually.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:29 AM   #33
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Kobe and Gasol was not batman and robin like Shaq and Kobe was. It was Batman and Batman. It is a myth promoted by the media and Kobe ******gers that Kobe carried that team. Gasol was just as good as Kobe and was the real 2010 finals MVP. Also he had other big moments like when Kobe chocked in game 7 vs Houston in 2009 and Gasol dominated and willed the team to victory. The only thing Kobe carried was the 3 straight teams that failed to win a playoff series before Gasol joined.
The 2009 Lakers had the largest difference between the #1 leading playoff scorer and the #2 leading scorer in the last 15 years.

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2009 Kobe: + 11.9 ppg [Kobe 30.2 ppg / Pau 18.3 ppg]
Rebound leader: Gasol, Assist leader: Kobe

2011 Dirk: + 10.2 ppg [Dirk 27.7 ppg / Terry 17.5 ppg]
Rebound leader: Chandler, Assist leader: Kidd

2003 Duncan: + 10.0 ppg [Duncan 24.7 ppg / Parker 14.7 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Duncan

2013 Lebron: + 10.0 ppg [Lebron 25.9 ppg/ Wade 15.9 ppg]
Rebound leader: Lebron, Assist leader: Lebron

2006 Wade: + 10.0 ppg [Wade 28.4 ppg / Shaq 18.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Wade

2010 Kobe: + 9.6 ppg [Kobe 29.2 ppg / Pau 19.6 ppg]
Rebound leader: Gasol, Assist leader: Kobe

2000 Shaq: + 9.6 ppg [Shaq 30.7 ppg / Kobe 21.1 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe

1999 Duncan: + 7.6 ppg [Duncan 23.2 ppg / Robinson 15.6 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Johnson

2012 Lebron: + 7.5 ppg [Lebron 30.3 ppg / Wade 22.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Lebron, Assist leader: Lebron

2004 Hamilton: + 5.1 ppg [Hamilton 21.5 ppg / Billups 16.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: B. Wallace, Assist leader: Billups

2005 Duncan: + 2.8 ppg [Duncan 23.6 / Manu 20.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Parker

2002 Shaq: + 1.9 ppg [Shaq 28.5 ppg / Kobe 26.6 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe

2007 Duncan: + 1.4 ppg [Duncan 22.2 ppg / Parker 20.8 ppg]
Rebound leader: Duncan, Assist leader: Parker

2001 Shaq: + 1.0 ppg [Shaq 30.4 ppg / Kobe 29.4 ppg]
Rebound leader: Shaq, Assist leader: Kobe

2008 KG: + 0.7 ppg [KG 20.4 ppg / Pierce 19.7 ppg]
Rebound leader: KG, Assist leader: Rondo
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:32 AM   #34
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No hes not.

OP is a f@ggot
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:34 AM   #35
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Where Would u Rank Gasol as a PF All Time?
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:39 AM   #36
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The 2009 Lakers had the largest difference between the #1 leading playoff scorer and the #2 leading scorer in the last 15 years.

There is a lot more to the game than scoring, as Kobe from 04-07 found out in his 3 season stretch in his prime that produced no playoff series wins. His 35 PPG season ended in a first round loss to the suns.

Also his scoring was not super efficient dominant like Durant has. Kobe averaged 45.7% fg and 30 ppg on 23 shots per game for the entire 09 playoffs.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:46 AM   #37
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Before Gasol (after Shaq) prime Kobe lost in the first round twice and missed the playoffs once. They both needed each other. Neither were dominant forces like Lebron, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem etc that could single handedly win playoff series by themselves.
Yea right, shaq had penny to win playoff series in Orlando, Hakeem got lucky because Starks choked in 1994, Lebron played against arenas and the overrated non competitive wizards a few timea his pre Miami years too.
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Old 07-17-2013, 01:53 AM   #38
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Yea right, shaq had penny to win playoff series in Orlando, Hakeem got lucky because Starks choked in 1994, Lebron played against arenas and the overrated non competitive wizards a few timea his pre Miami years too.

Penny was overrated and later on because of injuries Penny became a terrible player yet pre-prime Shaq still single handedly led Orlando to the ECF after the injuries crippled Penny. Hakeem led a pretty weak cast to a NBA finals victory, which is insane.

PRIME Kobe could not even win a playoff series in the 3 tries he had. In one of the series, he lost to a suns team where Amare was out the entire series.

Young Lebron beat a respectable Detriot team in 2007 by himself. That 2007 Detriot squad was certainly better than a Suns team without Amare.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:00 AM   #39
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There is a lot more to the game than scoring, as Kobe from 04-07 found out in his 3 season stretch in his prime that produced no playoff series wins. His 35 PPG season ended in a first round loss to the suns.

Also his scoring was not super efficient dominant like Durant has. Kobe averaged 45.7% fg and 30 ppg on 23 shots per game for the entire 09 playoffs.
It's a very simple concept to understand. In 05-07 Kobe had a poor supporting cast, in 08-10 he had a a better supporting cast. In 08-10 when the Lakers were winning playoff series it was still Kobe's team, and there is no questions surrounding that.

MVP voting
08 - Kobe 1st, Pau no votes
09 - Kobe 2nd, Pau no votes
10 - Kobe 3rd, Pau no votes

In fact, Pau has never recieved a single MVP vote in his career.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:20 AM   #40
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There is a lot more to the game than scoring, as Kobe from 04-07 found out in his 3 season stretch in his prime that produced no playoff series wins. His 35 PPG season ended in a first round loss to the suns.

Also his scoring was not super efficient dominant like Durant has. Kobe averaged 45.7% fg and 30 ppg on 23 shots per game for the entire 09 playoffs.



2004: Shaq leaves
2005: No playoffs
2006: first round loss
2007: first round loss:
2008: NBA Finals
2009: NBA Championship
2010: NBA Championship

Something must have happened between 2007 and 2008 to transform them into a pereniel Finalist from first round fodder. Could it have been that Kobe transformed his game?

Nope, his best years were when they lost in the first round.

Gasol is the reason LA became relevant. He will never get the respect he deserves.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:31 AM   #41
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Pau is 0-12 in the playoffs without Kobe.

Pau has never had that just solid playoff type team. Ever prior to the Lakers. Those Grizzlies rosters were always ran that mediocre brand, just enough to win some games and make a playoff push but never really good enough.

Then look at his opponents. The 04 Spurs, the 05 Suns and and 06 Mavs.

So basically, Peak Duncan and company, peak Nash and pre-injury beast Amare, and a very good all-around Mavs team led by a very good prime Dirk Nowitzki.

Yeah......no.
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:19 AM   #42
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In terms of skills/abilities on the court, he is definitely top 50, but he doesn't have the accomplishments to match. He's certainly top 100 though.
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:20 AM   #43
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Brand > Pau
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:30 AM   #44
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As much as I love Pau, can someone post how many playoff games he won without Kobe, and how many playoff games Kobe won without Pau/Shaq?

Pau has won zero of sixteen playoff games without kobe, 0-16 games. Yes, an impressive jaw-dropping record, soomehow, kobe haters say this is the guy that carried kobe to 3 finals two rings, seems legit...
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Old 07-17-2013, 03:33 AM   #45
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2004: Shaq leaves
2005: No playoffs
2006: first round loss
2007: first round loss:
2008: NBA Finals
2009: NBA Championship
2010: NBA Championship

Something must have happened between 2007 and 2008 to transform them into a pereniel Finalist from first round fodder. Could it have been that Kobe transformed his game?

Nope, his best years were when they lost in the first round.

Gasol is the reason LA became relevant. He will never get the respect he deserves.
Lakers were 30-16 before Gasol played a game for the Lakers in 2007-08.
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