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Old 07-16-2013, 05:08 PM   #31
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Wtf no D-Wade should play in Miami forever.
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:12 PM   #32
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Mike Miller was huge for the Heat and they dont win rings in 2012 OR 2013 if not for his play. Hes one of the best shooters in the league and another hot hand if Allen/Battier/Chalmers are cold. The former two are VERY streaky and prone to being cold. This could put the team in a tight spot. Losing Miller is a ****ing blow. Wades knees are only going to get worse and since their going to prevent him from putting heavy work on his jumpshot your only going to see him decline more and more.
Are you for real? Miami was up 3-1 in the 2012 Finals. They would've won with or without Miller. The same goes for 2013. He had a great game in which he hit 5 3's and Miami lost. Another game in which he scored 8. You're telling me that Miami would've lost if it wasn't for Miller? .
Miami would've lost if Wade didn't go ham in Game 4 and 7.

Wade scored 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% for the season and 20/5/4/2/1 on 48% in the Finals. You want to trade him for Allen, who's going to turn 38 and have Miller who played around 70-80 games in the past 3 seasons?
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Allen (38 years old)
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Miller (broken back and can't play more than a couple of dozen games a season)
Battier (who actually planned on retiring)
Bosh
I would be surprised if they made it out of the 1st round.
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:22 PM   #33
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Are you for real? Miami was up 3-1 in the 2012 Finals. They would've won with or without Miller. The same goes for 2013. He had a great game in which he hit 5 3's and Miami lost. Another game in which he scored 8. You're telling me that Miami would've lost if it wasn't for Miller? .
Miami would've lost if Wade didn't go ham in Game 4 and 7.

Wade scored 21/5/5/2/1 on 52% for the season and 20/5/4/2/1 on 48% in the Finals. You want to trade him for Allen, who's going to turn 38 and have Miller who played around 70-80 games in the past 3 seasons?
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Allen (38 years old)
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Miller (broken back and can't play more than a couple of dozen games a season)
Battier (who actually planned on retiring)
Bosh
I would be surprised if they made it out of the 1st round.

Miller doesn't need to score points to do his role. Just him standing at the three point line stretches the defense and opens lanes lanes for LeBron. The team was much better with him out there. Thats why Spo gave him minutes in the Finals. Most of the time Wade is out there, he isn't a threat to do anything. Hes just an athletic utility man out there. But because he can't shoot LeBron can't get inside as effectively.

This team is only going as far as LeBron takes them. Building around him is of the utmost priority, espesically since Wade is 31 and extremely injury prone. Look at 2011 to see what happens when LeBron isn't featured. Wade certainly isn't going to carry them to a ring.

If Wades mid range game is consistant and there on a nightly basis, he is still an elite player in the league. Your problem is when he can't make a jumpshot and he is trying for that lame pump fake EVERY TIME. Defenses catch on, and dare him to shoot. He had no confidence in that shot for most of the playoffs. He can't put the reps in because his knees are bad.

If money is a problem for this team, the 6'3 guard that makes 20 million and can't make a jumpshot is the first thing I would look at.
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:36 PM   #34
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Miller doesn't need to score points to do his role. Just him standing at the three point line stretches the defense and opens lanes lanes for LeBron. The team was much better with him out there. Thats why Spo gave him minutes in the Finals. Most of the time Wade is out there, he isn't a threat to do anything. Hes just an athletic utility man out there. But because he can't shoot LeBron can't get inside as effectively.
So, you want Mike Miller instead of Wade, to just stand in the corner for the 30-40 games he plays? Lets not forget that Miller will give up thrice what he scores on the defensive end. Wade is just an athletic "utility man"? Dude scored 20/4/5/2/1 on 48% in the Finals. He was the second highest scorer on the team and played pretty good defense. If Miami didn't have Wade, they would've gotten swept. Miller is 33 with a broken back and can't play defense. He played 70-80 games in the last 3 seasons! Lebron is not going to average 35/8/8 or whatever. They need Wade's scoring and defense.

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Look at 2011 to see what happens when LeBron isn't featured. Wade certainly isn't going to carry them to a ring.
I saw Wade about to win his FMVP, only if Lebron did choke so bad. Wade doesn't need to carry the team, but Lebron needs Wade. The heat need his 20/5/5 on 50% and his defense.

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If money is a problem for this team, the 6'3 guard that makes 20 million and can't make a jumpshot is the first thing I would look at.
Even without a jumpshot, Wade averaged 21 on 52% (16 shots per game). Wade was a top 7 player in the league.
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I saw Wade about to win his FMVP, only if Lebron did choke so bad. Wade doesn't need to carry the team, but Lebron needs Wade. The heat need his 20/5/5 on 50% and his defense.

Miami is 11-0(undefeated) in playoff series in which LeBron scores 20+ PPG.
Miami is 0-1(winless) in playoff series in which LeBron scores less than 20 PPG.

On the other hand, Miami is 5-0 when Wade scores LESS than 20 PPG.

Miami won a championship with Wade averaging 15 PPG on 49.8 TS%(****ing terrible) for an entire playoff run. He can't get to the free throw line, and he can't space the floor.

But when LeBron averages 17.8 PPG 7.2 RPG 6.8 APG on 47.8% shooting, the Heat can't win a single series.

And Wade didn't average 20 PPG in ANY series this year. Stop throwing that shit around.
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Even without a jumpshot, Wade averaged 21 on 52% (16 shots per game). Wade was a top 7 player in the league.

Wade is better in the regular season because there are more fastbreak oppurtunities.

My concern isn't the regular season, the Heat are going to get a top seed regardless. The Heat are so much better than most teams they just run up and down the court most nights. Wade shines in these moments when he can get layup after layup.

But in the playoffs when teams slow the game down, he is a liability in the halfcourt. Couldn't do anything against the fcuking Milwaukee Bucks.

The only people that think Wade is a top 7 player in the NBA are Sportscenter fans that dont know the game. You probably got Kobe in your top 3 too.
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Old 07-16-2013, 05:56 PM   #36
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First time I ever have agreed with OP.

Wade is washed up, and will only continue to decline. Not to mention he and LeBron are a terrible duo that still haven't learned to coexist.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:01 PM   #37
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what people will remember in 20 years, "X"-time world champion wade carried lebron to "X-1" world championships
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:01 PM   #38
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Miami is 11-0(undefeated) in playoff series in which LeBron scores 20+ PPG.
Miami is 0-1(winless) in playoff series in which LeBron scores less than 20 PPG.

On the other hand, Miami is 5-0 when Wade scores LESS than 20 PPG.

Miami won a championship with Wade averaging 15 PPG on 49.8 TS%(****ing terrible) for an entire playoff run. He can't get to the free throw line, and he can't space the floor.

But when LeBron averages 17.8 PPG 7.2 RPG 6.8 APG on 47.8% shooting, the Heat can't win a single series.

And Wade didn't average 20 PPG in ANY series this year. Stop throwing that shit around.


Wade is better in the regular season because there are more fastbreak oppurtunities.

My concern isn't the regular season, the Heat are going to get a top seed regardless. The Heat are so much better than most teams they just run up and down the court most nights. Wade shines in these moments when he can get layup after layup.

But in the playoffs when teams slow the game down, he is a liability in the halfcourt. Couldn't do anything against the fcuking Milwaukee Bucks.

The only people that think Wade is a top 7 player in the NBA are Sportscenter fans that dont know the game. You probably got Kobe in your top 3 too.

Classic masterpiece post. Agree with everything. Wade is the biggest burden for Miami.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:28 PM   #39
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Miami is 11-0(undefeated) in playoff series in which LeBron scores 20+ PPG.
On the other hand, Miami is 5-0 when Wade scores LESS than 20 PPG.

Miami won a championship with Wade averaging 15 PPG on 49.8 TS%(****ing terrible) for an entire playoff run. He can't get to the free throw line, and he can't space the floor.

But when LeBron averages 17.8 PPG 7.2 RPG 6.8 APG on 47.8% shooting, the Heat can't win a single series.

And Wade didn't average 20 PPG in ANY series this year. Stop throwing that shit around.


Wade is better in the regular season because there are more fastbreak oppurtunities.

My concern isn't the regular season, the Heat are going to get a top seed regardless. The Heat are so much better than most teams they just run up and down the court most nights. Wade shines in these moments when he can get layup after layup.

But in the playoffs when teams slow the game down, he is a liability in the halfcourt. Couldn't do anything against the fcuking Milwaukee Bucks.

The only people that think Wade is a top 7 player in the NBA are Sportscenter fans that dont know the game. You probably got Kobe in your top 3 too.
OF course your ignoring the fact he was injured during that stretch which is why he was hampered for much of his series.
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Miami is 0-1(winless) in playoff series in which LeBron scores less than 20 PPG.
You're using a one game sample size... Really?!!

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Couldn't do anything against the fcuking Milwaukee Bucks.
Uh why would he need to exert himself against the Bucks... it's the Bucks....
You don't seem to realize that because he was injured he had to pick his spots and pace himself. So in crucial games he was clearly more aggressive as opposed to other games when he was passive.

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But when LeBron averages 17.8 PPG 7.2 RPG 6.8 APG on 47.8% shooting, the Heat can't win a single series.
On the other hand, Miami is 5-0 when Wade scores LESS than 20 PPG.
As the primary ball handler and leader in FGA its not exactly surprising that if Lebron has a subpar game they would likely lose, especially if Wade is unable to help consistently with the scoring load and Bosh being inexplicably absent for a lot of the series.

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Wade is the biggest burden for Miami.
An injured Wade maybe, as would any injury to one of their star players...

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Yeah but those are regular season stats. Post his playoff stats...


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what people will remember in 20 years, "X"-time world champion wade carried lebron to "X-1" world championships

How many titles does Melo have?
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I don't think he should be amnesty'ed. But Wade averaged 15ppg last postseason.
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Miami is 11-0(undefeated) in playoff series in which LeBron scores 20+ PPG.
Miami is 0-1(winless) in playoff series in which LeBron scores less than 20 PPG.

On the other hand, Miami is 5-0 when Wade scores LESS than 20 PPG. /

Miami won a championship with Wade averaging 15 PPG on 49.8 TS%(****ing terrible) for an entire playoff run. He can't get to the free throw line, and he can't space the floor.
Once again, Lebron needs Wade. There's a reason he came to Miami and it's not the weather. I'd take Wade on one leg over Allen and Miller combined. Miller total points in the Finals is about the same as what Wade scored in Game 4. If Wade didn't score 20/4/5/2/1 on 48% in the Finals, the Heat would've lost. Miller and Allen SUCK on the defensive end and neither can sustain a full season of playing 36+ MPG.

Since when did you start using TS%, BTW? Aren't you one of the idiots, who calls Kobe a chucker because he's a career 46% shooter and completely disregard his TS%?

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But when LeBron averages 17.8 PPG 7.2 RPG 6.8 APG on 47.8% shooting, the Heat can't win a single series.
8 point game. Got outplayed by Jason Terry. Got outscored by the Jet. Shat his pants during the 4th quarters. Should I go on?

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And Wade didn't average 20 PPG in ANY series this year. Stop throwing that shit around.
My bad. Wade averaged 19.6 in the Finals.

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Wade is better in the regular season because there are more fastbreak oppurtunities.

My concern isn't the regular season, the Heat are going to get a top seed regardless. The Heat are so much better than most teams they just run up and down the court most nights. Wade shines in these moments when he can get layup after layup.
Wade is actually one of the better playoff performers and one of the best Finals performers. He was hurt and hence he played like crap till the Finals. 2006 Finals >>>>>> anything that Lebron has EVER done. You would know this if you watched Miami pre 2012 championship.

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But in the playoffs when teams slow the game down, he is a liability in the halfcourt. Couldn't do anything against the fcuking Milwaukee Bucks.
Lebron is the one who plays like a passive bitch when defenses clamp down on him. Do you just watch Lebron play and close your eyes when others are playing? Wade had the midrange going for him and had a great post game for a couple of months. He was averaging 24/5/6 for a while, after the slow start. He got hurt during the end of the season and yet he scored 20/4/5 in the Finals. Who gives a shit about the Bucks. Miami would've swept them without Wade AND Bosh. Try watching the games for a change and not just Lebron highlights on YouTube.

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The only people that think Wade is a top 7 player in the NBA are Sportscenter fans that dont know the game. You probably got Kobe in your top 3 too.
Holy crap, you're retarded.
Lebron
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CP3
Kobe
Melo
and who else? Wade is better than Curry and Harden, who are complete liabilities on defense. Any non Lebron nut rider (people who are over 12 and actually know basketball) know this.

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