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Old 06-28-2013, 11:21 PM   #1
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In the trade, the Nets gave up their 2014, 16 and 18 picks.
We already know that the 2014 pick will be worthless in the late 20s so lets focus on the others. In 2016, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez will most likely be coming off of their last playoff run with their core, Garnett and Pierce will be long gone and Deron Williams will be 32 (Kidd and Nash both led teams deep in the playoffs at this age), Joe Johnson will be 35 (Skill based player who will age pretty well) and Brook Lopez will be in the beginning of his prime at age 28. That is definately a playoff team in the East and Boston will be getting yet another mid 20s pick.

2018 is really the only question mark. However, Billy King's plan is to have a ton of cap space in the summer of 2016 (only Williams contract will be on the books), which will feature players such as Kevin Durant (Brooklyn native Jay Z is his agent FYI), Kevin Love and Roy Hibbert. The Nets will most likely chase the high profile free agents like Durant (Jay-Z) to pair with a 33 year old Deron Williams and a most likely resigned 28 year old All-Star Brook Lopez. If they get a high profile Free Agent (Doesnt have to be Durant), they will probably make the playoffs again because of a still talented veteran PG and arguably the best center in the NBA on the team. This means that if Billy's plan is successful, the Nets will also be a playoff team in 2018 and Boston will receive another 20s pick.

Also, another undervalued aspect of the trade is that in 2 years when the Celtics vets retire, the Nets will have over $30 mill coming off the cap instead of having Gerald Wallace's long term contract.

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Nets picks in '14 and '16 are guaranteed to be Non-Lottery, with 2018 being the only question mark. The trade also provides the Nets with a HUGE amount of cap relief in 2 years.
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Old 06-28-2013, 11:54 PM   #2
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In the trade, the Nets gave up their 2014, 16 and 18 picks.
We already know that the 2014 pick will be worthless in the late 20s so lets focus on the others. In 2016, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson and Brook Lopez will most likely be coming off of their last playoff run with their core, Garnett and Pierce will be long gone and Deron Williams will be 32 (Kidd and Nash both led teams deep in the playoffs at this age), Joe Johnson will be 35 (Skill based player who will age pretty well) and Brook Lopez will be in the beginning of his prime at age 28. That is definately a playoff team in the East and Boston will be getting yet another mid 20s pick.

2018 is really the only question mark. However, Billy King's plan is to have a ton of cap space in the summer of 2016 (only Williams contract will be on the books), which will feature players such as Kevin Durant (Brooklyn native Jay Z is his agent FYI), Kevin Love and Roy Hibbert. The Nets will most likely chase the high profile free agents like Durant (Jay-Z) to pair with a 33 year old Deron Williams and a most likely resigned 28 year old All-Star Brook Lopez. If they get a high profile Free Agent (Doesnt have to be Durant), they will probably make the playoffs again because of a still talented veteran PG and arguably the best center in the NBA on the team. This means that if Billy's plan is successful, the Nets will also be a playoff team in 2018 and Boston will receive another 20s pick.

Also, another undervalued aspect of the trade is that in 2 years when the Celtics vets retire, the Nets will have over $30 mill coming off the cap instead of having Gerald Wallace's long term contract.

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Nets picks in '14 and '16 are guaranteed to be Non-Lottery, with 2018 being the only question mark. The trade also provides the Nets with a HUGE amount of cap relief in 2 years.

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Old 06-29-2013, 01:05 AM   #3
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A team that's willing to keep trying - that's something to make a fan proud. The hardest thing to take as a fan is when your team isn't doing anything possible to try.


Not too many teams fans can count on their organization trying as hard as the nets
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:15 AM   #4
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The Nets are the sexiest team on paper
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Old 06-29-2013, 02:14 AM   #5
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The Nets giving up their three first round picks in this deal is absolutely no big deal at all.

Every year there are teams in the middle to the end of the first round that are looking to trade their pick for more cap space for free agent runs. Those teams would often be willing to send their picks out for cash. The Nets' owner is willing to pay, so it won't be problem for the Nets to buy their way back into the draft.

At the end of last season, the Hawks sent out a second round pick for $500,000. There are limits to how much teams can offer, but it's always possible to buy back into the draft.
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The Nets giving up their three first round picks in this deal is absolutely no big deal at all.

Every year there are teams in the middle to the end of the first round that are looking to trade their pick for more cap space for free agent runs. Those teams would often be willing to send their picks out for cash. The Nets' owner is willing to pay, so it won't be problem for the Nets to buy their way back into the draft.

At the end of last season, the Hawks sent out a second round pick for $500,000. There are limits to how much teams can offer, but it's always possible to buy back into the draft.

Exactly, Denver sold their pick for 3 mill during the draft, something the Nets can easily do. Also, next year the Nets have a 20 year old lights out shooter coming from Europe who is better than any late first round pick theyll get next season.
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Nets 2016 roster: Deron, Durant and Brook. It just gets better from here Nets fans.
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Nets 2016 roster: Deron, Durant and Brook. It just gets better from here Nets fans.

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I think they're kinda throwing Kidd under the bus. Kidd is a guy...I could see him building up a bunch of kids and teaching them how to play. But you giving him a bunch of old vets and overpaid stars...this is a shitty assingment for your first gig.
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I think they're kinda throwing Kidd under the bus. Kidd is a guy...I could see him building up a bunch of kids and teaching them how to play. But you giving him a bunch of old vets and overpaid stars...this is a shitty assingment for your first gig.

LMAO overpaid stars? The only overpaid player on the Nets is Joe Johnson and he is a super laid back and respectful guy. If anything, this is the best situation for Kidd because he'll have veterans to back him up and set an example for the young guys. This team isnt the Knicks, the only nut job or drama queen on this team is Blatche and hes calmed down since hes joined the Nets and wont act up when hes surrounded by veterans. Kidd will have no problem with this team especially with veteran coach Lawrence Frank as his assistant.
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LMAO overpaid stars? The only overpaid player on the Nets is Joe Johnson and he is a super laid back and respectful guy. If anything, this is the best situation for Kidd because he'll have veterans to back him up and set an example for the young guys. This team isnt the Knicks, the only nut job or drama queen on this team is Blatche and hes calmed down since hes joined the Nets and wont act up when hes surrounded by veterans. Kidd will have no problem with this team especially with veteran coach Lawrence Frank as his assistant.

What young guys? I don't see Kidd's role here. I won't lie - as far as intelligence this team is probably the best in the league right now...Kidd and KG are as savy as they come.

But Kidd there isn't much room for Kidd to teach these guys how to play - they know how to play....they're inflexible.

I'm assuming they want to get Deron back on track - or make him a better point....something like that. That makes no sense to me. Someone like Nate McMillian could do a better job with this team.
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What young guys? I don't see Kidd's role here. I won't lie - as far as intelligence this team is probably the best in the league right now...Kidd and KG are as savy as they come.

But Kidd there isn't much room for Kidd to teach these guys how to play - they know how to play....they're inflexible.

I'm assuming they want to get Deron back on track - or make him a better point....something like that. That makes no sense to me. Someone like Nate McMillian could do a better job with this team.

Kidd wasnt hired for development. He was hired because he was more prepared than Shaw and he is a born leader. And theyre not inflexible at all, there are so many things that this team can do. They have 4 players in D Will, Joe, Pierce and Terry that can run the point. They have 7 players that can create their own shot (If Blatche resigns). Every single player in their starting 5 can hit a jump shot, so spacing will be amazing. Not one player in their starting lineup is a bad defender and they have one all time great defender in Garnett. If they can add a lock down perimeter defender in free agency and a 3pt specialist (Morrow) off the bench, then they will be amazing. Plus they still have young guys in Lopez (24), Blatche (26), Plumlee (22), Taylor (20 year old PG who will benefit from playing under Kidd) and multiple young Euro-stashes.
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What young guys? I don't see Kidd's role here. I won't lie - as far as intelligence this team is probably the best in the league right now...Kidd and KG are as savy as they come.

But Kidd there isn't much room for Kidd to teach these guys how to play - they know how to play....they're inflexible.

I'm assuming they want to get Deron back on track - or make him a better point....something like that. That makes no sense to me. Someone like Nate McMillian could do a better job with this team.

Nate McMillian is a coach you want if you have a team of young players. He's a coach that brings out the potential in your young players. Nate McMillian would be crap with this team because he has a crap offensive playbook but i guess DECENT rotations...
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Absolutely right, thats why I like the Nets trade. Lets face it, even with this current rosters our chance to win a title is slim unless we grab the best FAs available in the market(apparently it helps us nothing by signing Jason Collins). Reality is, the Nets are building a name and a brand to be a potential big FA players in future. 2016 sounds reasonable, the FO knows what it is doing.
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