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Old 06-28-2013, 05:44 PM   #31
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Jesus Christ, give it a rest RG.
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:49 PM   #32
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Nah, Kukoc was always so inconsistent for my tastes. He'd be on fire for a game or two, and then go MIA for stretches.


Kobe and Lebron fans don't understand that Jordan's supporting casts were getting similar criticisms back then as Lebron's and Kobe's have been over the last few years.
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:51 PM   #33
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So...... victim of Jordan propaganda? or Jordan dicksucker?

My money is on the slurpity slurp slurp.

Who was LeBrons best rebounder/interior defender in Cleveland? Drew Gooden? Big Z, the guy who can't even wipe his ass?

Jordan had Pippen an MVP caliber option in a league where no other team had two MVP caliber players, the best rebounder EVER in Rodman, and the best coach EVER. There is absolutely no comparison in the supporting casts.

Miamis advantage over the league is LeBron James and their depth of shooters where a number of guys can step up when the others have cold nights shooting.

Wade and Bosh can step up some nights, but Wades mid range game was on for like two games out of the 20 playoff games. Without Wades mid range game he is a role player which he was for almost all of the playoffs except Game 4 and 7 of the Finals. It's still more than anyone could do in Cleveland though.

Bosh is a big that gets bent over by anyone that plays slightly physical. 0 points in Game 7 for a guy thats strength is his jump shot. Some superstar huh. Give the Heat Rodman instead of Bosh and you'd see some real ****ing shit. 72 wins every year.

That's LeBron ball though ... basically give him the ball at the top of the key, let him dribble for 10 seconds, then he will try to beat his man off the dribble. If he can't get a shot for himself then he needs basically his teammates to be spot up shooters.

Wade and Bosh are reduced to being spot up shooters in the Miami offense, and it has to be that way IMO, because that's how LeBron likes it. He needs to dominate the basketball.

That's just his game.
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:51 PM   #34
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Anyone that doesn't see LeBron is more valuable to his team is just a victim of Jordan propaganda or a Jordan dicksucker. Take your pick.

LMFAO! This coming from YOU? Aren't you the same guy that actually believe LeBron* is better than MJ and makes multiple threads about your undying love for him?
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That's LeBron ball though ... basically give him the ball at the top of the key, let him dribble for 10 seconds, then he will try to beat his man off the dribble. If he can't get a shot for himself then he needs basically his teammates to be spot up shooters.

Wade and Bosh are reduced to being spot up shooters in the Miami offense, and it has to be that way IMO, because that's how LeBron likes it. He needs to dominate the basketball.

That's just his game.

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What does Jordan do to stop guys like Hibbert/Duncan/Robinson/big men?

Nothing. His team just had better rebounders and interior defenders. See 1995 without Horace Grant/Rodman and look at how Shaq/Horace destroyed them. Bulls didn't win shit when in the same boat as LeBrons Heat.

I don't think anyone has ever argued that these Heat teams are better than the 90s Bulls. These Heat teams are one of the most FLAWED champions of all-time. No other champion has ever had as glaring a weakness in the interior as the Heat.

LeBron has to be his teams best scorer, rebounder, perimeter defender, post defender, facilitator, ball handler EVERYTHING for his Heat to have a chance at winning against quality teams in the playoffs. He has performed beautifully when facing adversity these past two years. The best among any perimeter player ever.

Anyone that doesn't see LeBron is more valuable to his team is just a victim of Jordan propaganda or a Jordan dicksucker. Take your pick.

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Lebron literally has to do everything for his team to have a shot at the title, while Jordan only had to score and take advantage of having the most stacked team in the 90's. Dude was replaced by a D-league player in 94 and Bulls still nearly went to the Finals Talk about a diluted era and weak competition. Can anyone imagine Heat even sniffing East finals with some D-league scrub in the place of Bron? Yeah, I thought so...
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That's LeBron ball though ... basically give him the ball at the top of the key, let him dribble for 10 seconds, then he will try to beat his man off the dribble. If he can't get a shot for himself then he needs basically his teammates to be spot up shooters.

Wade and Bosh are reduced to being spot up shooters in the Miami offense, and it has to be that way IMO, because that's how LeBron likes it. He needs to dominate the basketball.

That's just his game.

So LeBron is the reason Wades mid range game is pathetic for 95% of the games now?

Not sure if you know, but it used to be money. LeBron being on the court the same time has no bearing on that going in or not. If anything it helps him since teams are more willing to pack the paint.

The Heat struggle when Wade can't make that shot, and when a 6'3 guard can't shoot it makes it easier to clog the paint. Spoelstra has adjusted to this by only playing one big(Bosh or Birdman) and putting LeBron at the 4. With the additional shooter instead of Haslem or another big it spreads the floor and gives everyone more room.

And LeBron is the reason Bosh averaged 4 rebounds per game against Indiana?

For Bosh the Heat are at their best when he is playing inside( on both ends of the floor), being a shot blocker, and eating up boards. His problem is he only plays that way 20% of the time and the other 80% he is getting pushed around and shooting long two pointers. His performance in Game 4 was even more important than Wades because he was playing BIG and INSIDE.

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So LeBron is the reason Wades mid range game is pathetic for 95% of the games now?

Not sure if you know, but it used to be money. LeBron being on the court the same time has no bearing on that going in or not. If anything it helps him since teams are more willing to pack the paint.

The Heat struggle when Wade can't make that shot, and when a 6'3 guard can't shoot it makes it easier to clog the paint. Spoelstra has adjusted to this by only playing one big(Bosh or Birdman) and putting LeBron at the 4. With the additional shooter instead of Haslem or another big it spreads the floor and gives everyone more room.

And LeBron is the reason Bosh averaged 4 rebounds per game against Indiana?

For Bosh the Heat are at their best when he is playing inside( on both ends of the floor), being a shot blocker, and eating up boards. His problem is he only plays that way 20% of the time and the other 80% he is getting pushed around and shooting long two pointers. His performance in Game 4 was even more important than Wades because he was playing BIG and INSIDE.




I used to think LeBron's game would change in Miami now that he had talent around him, but he basically does play the same style as he did in Cleveland and that reduces the other players to being spot up shooters basically.

Miami is just more talented overall than the Cavs were, that allows them to eek out playoff round wins. Also as Boston has gotten older, they became less of a problem for LeBron.

Bosh/Wade just aren't good at being spot up shooters, that's why the Heat are "flawed". All three of LeBron/Bosh/Wade kinda zone out if they're not given enough offensive touches.

I guess that's the byproduct of them all being no.1 options in the past.

The Heat aren't really a great team in the sense that they don't play that great off each other, I sense less overall team work from them than even the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.
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LeBron*? dude is purposely left wide open cuz he doesnt have a jumpshot... IN THE FINALS.



That should always shut down any MJ/LeBron comparisons. No way was any team thinking that its probably a good defensive tactic to sag 10 feet off of MJ. And for the majority of the series it worked against LeBron.

Credit to LeBron that he finally figured out where he can be effective against the Spurs, but MJ comparisons should only start when he's in his mid 30's, still the best player in the league, and still leading his broken down team to titles.
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Old 06-28-2013, 06:09 PM   #40
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Would you shut the **** up about Scottie Pippen? I've never made a thread on him and haven't really cared to post much of anything in threads about him in over a year. You're a ****ing Jordan stan who needs to stfu.***

Thank you. Hes a "Bulls fan" who goes out of his way to defame what the Bulls did. Its pathetic. Whats worse is he makes a degrading comment about Pippen every friggn day.
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Kobe and Lebron fans don't understand that Jordan's supporting casts were getting similar criticisms back then as Lebron's and Kobe's have been over the last few years.

I'm having doubts that they even followed the NBA back then... let alone even having been born yet. Its like these kids were born yesterday.
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Old 06-28-2013, 06:30 PM   #42
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LeBron and Jordan bring different things to the table... but let's be real... the Spurs sagged off of LeBron quite a bit in this year's finals... You would never see that with Jordan.

Ultimately, I would still take this year's LeBron over '98 Jordan based on their overall games at that point.
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I think 2012 LeBron and 2013 Ray Allen proved they have enough mental strenght.

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Jordan's 1998 season is the greatest season ever, not in terms of absolute dominance. But in terms of what he achieved despite age, injurys, etc.
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Ok let's get this over with, second three peat Jordan...., Lebron has more impact on a overrall game than that version of Jordan.

But prime Jordan is a different animal.

Also can anyone tell me the last time the Star of their team was allowed to shoot wide open J's as a defensive strategy? Dude is in the NBA, if he can't hit wide open practice/warm up jumpers, he wouldn't be in the league.
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