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Old 06-28-2013, 10:58 AM   #1
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Default If you were the Raps GM...

Who would you look to acquire to try and win now? Lots of teams are entering tank mode, so who would you target to get the 4-6 spot in the East?

Now, I am not saying we shouldn't tank. I'm interested to see what others would be looking at in terms of options to try and compete now.
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Old 06-28-2013, 11:44 AM   #2
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

I wouldn't.

I would do everything in my power to try to get rid of Gay, Bargnani, Derozan, and Fields. You'd probably have to sweeten the deal with either Lowry or Amir to get rid of any of them. There might be a team that sees value in Derozan at his current price though.

Why would anyone try to compete with the current mess of a roster that the Raptors have? Is a 1st round exit and more to come that appealing?

The Raptors probably only have 3 desirable assets. Valanciunas, Lowry and Amir. Ross could have some value too given he's still very cheap. Good luck doing anything with that to create a "winner".
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Old 06-28-2013, 11:54 AM   #3
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

Compete with 76ers and Celtics for Andrew Wiggins.

Going over the luxury for a team that isn't a playoff team isn't good enough. Amnesty Bargs, trade Gay, trade Derozan, send Lowry somewhere.

This team sucks, it was flawed by Bryan Colangelo nut hugging his draft picks and desperately trying to get a decent 3 man. His vision could never be fulfilled by his ego.
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

I still can't believe ownership let a lame duck GM trade for Rudy Gay. It's mind-boggling. Scorched earth by Colangelo.
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:18 PM   #5
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

You guys mention getting rid of players, but for what?

As witnessed yesterday, picks in next year's draft are too expensive.

For example, I would move DD & pieces to try and get Bledsoe and Butler.

Try and move Lowry and Fields/Kleiza for a Jazz PF.

Amnesty Bargs for FA's (Reddick, Landry, Tyreke, Collison).

See if Myck Kabongo is a suitable 3rd string PG.




I have no issue in tanking if the opportunity presents itself to do so. But for argument's sake, what moves WOULD you do IF you were to piece together a competitive team?


Also, what price would you pay to trade away Bargs to keep the amnesty for Kleiza? Do you just keep Kleiza's expiring contract?

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Old 06-28-2013, 12:32 PM   #6
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

I would try to blow this sh!t up. Everyone on the team except for Val and possibly Amir (Although he could be had if it means we get rid of other unwanted players) Can be had at rock bottom blow out prices. I would be aiming to have the worst team in the league next season. Not only cause of Wiggins, but also cause the 'core' we have just isn't going to do it. We need to rebuild from the ground up.

Easier said than done. Nobody wants our garbage, let alone their insane contracts....I don't envy our new GM.
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

If you are trying to win now for some misguided reason, you keep Kyle Lowry given that he's probably the most productive player on the team. You're not going to get anyone better than him unless you're trading Valanciunas.

For a "win now" situation, you are looking at trading the 2014 pick, Ross and maybe Amir. You probably keep Valanciunas and Lowry. You aren't getting anything of value for anyone else.
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Old 06-28-2013, 12:48 PM   #8
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

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You guys mention getting rid of players, but for what?

As witnessed yesterday, picks in next year's draft are too expensive.

For example, I would move DD & pieces to try and get Bledsoe and Butler.

Try and move Lowry and Fields/Kleiza for a Jazz PF.

Amnesty Bargs for FA's (Reddick, Landry, Tyreke, Collison).

See if Myck Kabongo is a suitable 3rd string PG.




I have no issue in tanking if the opportunity presents itself to do so. But for argument's sake, what moves WOULD you do IF you were to piece together a competitive team?


Also, what price would you pay to trade away Bargs to keep the amnesty for Kleiza? Do you just keep Kleiza's expiring contract?

You don't need anything back. The worst place to be in the NBA is 8th, where you get destroyed by every the first place team every year.

Whats worse about it is that they've got to hold onto Demar, Fields, and Gay for long term contracts, so now you're stuck in this 7-10th place hole which isn't possible to get out of unless you have a star. Stars don't come around too often when you're in the league.

Trade everyone, turn into the Celtics or 76ers. Then come out of next years draft with Wiggins or Parker.

This is a star driven league, its time the Raptors got one.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:05 PM   #9
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

Wow, might as well get an admin to delete the thread since it seems nobody even wants to explore anything other than tanking.

Guys, it's for jokes.

Also, don't for get the Bucks, Hawks and Bobcats as other teams in the east that are most likly hitting the reset button.

And who knows who will tank out West...
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:55 PM   #10
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

You didnt really specify about cap issues or i.e. paying the luxury..but...

1) Bargnani and Kliza for Paul Gasou LA Lakers.

Pgas, Val, and Amir represent your 123 rotation of big men

2) Landry Fields, John Lucas and one of Demar (or Ross) for a true ball possession - distrubuting point guard. Absorb cap hit sign and trade if allowed.

CP3 for example. You then have CP3 / Lowry / Ross (or Derozan) playing you back court. Klow plays as many minutes as he does now off ball on the 2 when CP3 is 1... shifts over

3) Rudy Gay stays as is.

4) Alan Anderson back as is only now riding the pine. Aaron Grey as well.

5) Big 3 are Pgas CP3 and Gay.

6) Future 3 are Val / Ross (or DeRozan) / ?? Klow and or what ever other move you make in the future like trading Klow and an aging Gay for the first over all pick in 2017.

7) Your depth is your future 3 plus, Amir (extended), Alan Anderson Aaron Grey. You add a vetern swingmen (i.e. of the Ray Lewis variety) and another power big man (i.e. of the Carlos Boozer variety) - guys that come off big contracts and are willing to take a MLE to win a ring...

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Old 06-28-2013, 10:16 PM   #11
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

^^^ Sorry Chris Paul for Fields, John Lucas and Derozen.
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Old 06-28-2013, 11:27 PM   #12
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

For anyone that wants to improve the Raptors. Here is a primer of relative trade value to help you prevent making an absurd suggestion:

Very High
1. Valanciunas

High
2. 2014 Draft pick

Decent
3. Lowry
4. Amir

Well, at least he's kinda young and cheap
5. Ross

Poor (good luck unloading them)
6. Derozan
7. Gay

He's a piece of shit but I guess he's an expirer
8. Kleiza

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
9. Fields
10. Bargnani
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Old 06-29-2013, 02:20 AM   #13
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

I'd give Gay and Derozan for free to a team that wants to win and has money to spend.

ie. the Lakers.

To LA
Gay

To Toronto
MWP
Blake
Duhon
Jordan Hill
2 first round picks

Or

To Clippers
Derozan
Ross

To Toronto
Bledsoe
Butler

Hellooooo Andrew Wiggins.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:52 AM   #14
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

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^^^ Sorry Chris Paul for Fields, John Lucas and Derozen.

CP3 "for example"...

If more emphasis was needed.

This was purely an acedemic what if - what would you do if this was the "mandate" to tool up.

I think all the scenerios are highly unlikely ; I am shocked Barges appears to be actually moving out.
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Old 07-02-2013, 09:59 AM   #15
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Default Re: If you were the Raps GM...

If I was hired with the mandate to win now I would have made the david lee for barge trade and would have tried to include a sign and trade for Jarret Jack.
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