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Old 08-25-2013, 04:06 AM   #1
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Default Kareem-McAdoo H2H's

Bob McAdoo is probably the most under-rated "great" in NBA history. A prime McAdoo was an even more explosive scorer than Kareem.

Here are their 28 career H2H meetings. Unfortunately, the only useful data available is their scoring numbers. And while they were very equal in terms of scoring throughout their career h2h's, it wasn't until near the end of McAdoo's career that Kareem finally caught him (game #24 to be exact.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...1&p2=mcadobo01

Kareem had 11 games of 30+ against McAdoo, with high games of 35, 35, 36, 36, 37, 37, and 38 points.

McAdoo had 11 games of 30+ against Kareem, with high games of 36, 36, 37, 38, 38, 38, 41, and an eye-popping 45 pointer.

Hopefully Fpllli can come up with their FG-FGM and rebounding stats when he gets a chance.
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Old 08-25-2013, 01:40 PM   #2
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McAdoo was clearly robbed of his second MVP award in three years in the 75-76 season. He blew away Kareem in the scoring race (as he did for three straight years), and not only that, he led his team to a 46-36 record, while KAJ's Lakers only went 40-42.

And McAdoo's 74-75 season was one of the greatest scoring seasons in NBA history. He averaged 34.5 ppg, on .512 shooting, in 43 mpg, in a league that only averaged 102.6 ppg, on .457 shooting. And in the playoffs, he averaged 37.4 ppg, as well, including a 50 point game against Wes Unseld.
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Default Re: Kareem-McAdoo H2H's

It sounds like McAdoo is pretty underrated. He's one of those guys you almost never hear about.
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It sounds like McAdoo is pretty underrated. He's one of those guys you almost never hear about.

He was basically unguardable. He had 20+ foot range, and a myriad of moves, with the quickness of a SF, and the size of a typical PF. He was an excellent FT shooter (in his 34.5 ppg season he shot .805 from the line.) He is also the last player to have a legitimate 30-15 season (Moses had one if rounded up.) I doubt you can find anyone else who ever put up a 45 point game on Kareem.

He was listed at between 6-9 and 6-10 in college, and likely would be measured at 6-11 in shoes today.
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Default Re: Kareem-McAdoo H2H's

People are obsessed with grouping black and white players separately when it comes to head to head comparisons, but McAdoo was in some ways a Dirk forerunner.

Having said that, Kareem was obviously the better all-around player: Higher scoring efficiency, better defender, better rebounder and shotblocker and a significantly better post passer/"playmaker".
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People are obsessed with grouping black and white players separately when it comes to head to head comparisons, but McAdoo was in some ways a Dirk forerunner.

Having said that, Kareem was obviously the better all-around player: Higher scoring efficiency, better defender, better rebounder and shotblocker and a significantly better post passer/"playmaker".

Overall I would agree. And a peak Kareem, from '70-71 thru 72-73 was among the greatest ever.

Still, a peak McAdoo was an all-time top-ten scoring machine (maybe even top-5), and is often over-looked in these "all-time" discussions.

No one was stopping him from '73-74 thru '75-76 (and even later on, when healthy, he was still capable of 40+ point games.)
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People are obsessed with grouping black and white players separately when it comes to head to head comparisons, but McAdoo was in some ways a Dirk forerunner.

Having said that, Kareem was obviously the better all-around player: Higher scoring efficiency, better defender, better rebounder and shotblocker and a significantly better post passer/"playmaker".

Why do you say in some ways? He definitely was a forerunner. There was nothing that Dirk did that Mac didn't do. Mac had a better handle and rebounded better when he was healthy. Mac, was a better shooter and his range was about equal.

Dirk won an MVP when all the top players were better all around players as well.
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Why do you say in some ways? He definitely was a forerunner. There was nothing that Dirk did that Mac didn't do. Mac had a better handle and rebounded better when he was healthy. Mac, was a better shooter and his range was about equal.

Dirk won an MVP when all the top players were better all around players as well.

Well, you basically answered your question. If McAdoo was better at some things, this makes them a bit less similar, hence "some ways".
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People are obsessed with grouping black and white players separately when it comes to head to head comparisons, but McAdoo was in some ways a Dirk forerunner.

Having said that, Kareem was obviously the better all-around player: Higher scoring efficiency, better defender, better rebounder and shotblocker and a significantly better post passer/"playmaker".


I've been saying this forever. I love McAdoo. He was just ahead of his time in terms of his style and skillset. Dirk is the name I think of most, but it probably undersells Mc as a rebounder, although rebounds were inflated by the amount of missing at the time.

And my sort of McAdoo story, I went to see Nets Heat in Brooklyn last year. Hadn't been to the arena, haven't seen Lebron in person, and it was a Wednesday night game, tickets weren't outrageous, so I splurged and got corner seats about 5 rows behind the Heat bench. You could sort of see me on TV.
I got there early enough to see warmups, and when I got to my seat, McAdoo, who's a Heat coach, was working out with Dwayne Wade, just pitching back rebounds so he could hit jumpers side to side. There was a young couple sitting behind me. McAdoo was wearing shorts and a sweatshirt. Clearly his knees are shot. But he's still moving around. And after bullshitting with Wade a little, the two of them started shooting with a ball boy kicking out passes, and McAdoo outshot him. He's also huge. He's bigger than Lebron. The girl behind me started asking her bf about him, and I started talking to them about him. He honestly looks like he could still be in the rotation.
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