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Old 06-27-2013, 03:41 PM   #76
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Wow, when I saw this poster, I immediately thought "wow, that order of the lineup has to belong to some Laker-hater". Look where are drawn most of the Laker legends (and generally all-time greats): Magic, Kareem, Kobe and Baylor are to be found at the far right corner of the pic and also Wilt and Shaq at the lowest level, unlike Jordan and Russell, who are right in the middle.

And then I read the name: Bill Simmons.

(In case you wonder, Jordan and Russell are his top-2)
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:58 PM   #77
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1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Shaq
9. Kobe
10. LeBron
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:04 PM   #78
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Some of these dudes ranking players they never seen play.
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:11 PM   #79
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Wow, when I saw this poster, I immediately thought "wow, that order of the lineup has to belong to some Laker-hater". Look where are drawn most of the Laker legends (and generally all-time greats): Magic, Kareem, Kobe and Baylor are to be found at the far right corner of the pic and also Wilt and Shaq at the lowest level, unlike Jordan and Russell, who are right in the middle.

And then I read the name: Bill Simmons.

(In case you wonder, Jordan and Russell are his top-2)

Has anyone here read that book?
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:18 PM   #80
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Has anyone here read that book?

I own the book, which is sitting on my bookshelf right now.
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:20 PM   #81
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Has anyone here read that book?
Yes, I have. A couple of times actually. The second time I didn't read it cover-to-cover, but went back and read the Pyramid section and a few other chapters. I've probably gone back and read his Pyramid Rankings and the best teams chapter 3 or 4 times total.

I don't necessarily agree with it all, and his Celtic bias (which leads to be a Laker hater) does get in the way at times a little bit, but I still feel like he did a great job with his research and stayed relatively objective (for the most part). I know some will disagree, though.
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:36 PM   #82
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1. Jordan
2. KAJ
3. Russell
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Kobe
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. LeBron
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:38 PM   #83
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Seriously? Not seeing one person list Dr. J in their top ten.
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:39 PM   #84
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Now I'm not going to dispute you on Kobe's last few defensive team awards, as he didn't deserve them. But saying that Kobe didn't deserve all nba 1st team is just flat out stupid. It's obvious you have not been watching the NBA for long, otherwise you'd take this discussion a whole lot better. You can bring up efficiency numbers all you want, but at the end of the day that's all you've got. Kobe won more titles, more accolades and has had a longer and more storied career than Shaq overall. There is nothing you can say that can change that fact, I'm sorry. Kobe has 5 titles vs 4, 11x 1st team selection vs 8x, 2 olympic gold vs 1, 4x allstargame MVP vs 3 and so on and so on...

Shaq had one of the most dominant seasons ever in 2000, but fact remains that Kobe has played at a consistently high level for longer than Shaq ever did, and therefore he will ultimately also be ranked higher. Longevity matters, otherwise you'd see players like Bill Walton ranked far higher. In his first four years in his career, he achieved more than any other player in such a short span.

Finally, a person who actually talks Basketball.

It's not just about efficiency. If we're just taking efficiency into account, Russell and Kobe would not even sniff the top 10. I'm talking about dominating the game and Shaq dominated like no other. Sure, Kobe have longevity over Shaq. Heck, he has it over Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc., but you're not going to rate Kobe over them, are you? As a matter of fact, Kobe's accolades, rings, etc., blow Birds' out of the water, yet, people still regard Bird to be a top 5 player and Kobe to be a top 7-9 player. It's not always about the stats. You can't judge just how good a player is by reading his wiki and going to Basketball Reference. Shaq had an impact on the game that can't be judged by stats.
If we go by stats, Shaq until 34 averaged 26/11.5/3 on 58% along with 2.5 blocks. It's not like Shaq had just one or two dominant seasons. Also, Shaq was MUCH MUCH more durable than Bill Walton. You seriously can't be comparing Bill Walton's health to Shaq's. It's not like Shaq played only 5-6 seasons.
GOAT lists are extremely subjective. I value dominating over 8-10 years more than playing 17 years and being dominant in 3 or 4 years. Some people value stats more than accolades, etc. As much as I like Kobe, I think he was really overrated this year. He was extremely passive on the defensive end. He also wasn't guarded well. It was as if teams were letting Kobe get his and were trying to shut down his teammates (I watched only ~20 Lakers games, so small sample to judge from).

BTW, I feel that Wade should've won the All-NBA First team in '06 and '11. Then again, it's just my opinion.

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Old 06-27-2013, 04:50 PM   #85
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Did not include any '40s-'60s players in my list besides Bill Russell who I put on simply because of his reputation as Sports greatest winner. That is all. My list changes ALL THE TIME, and I'm sure some will take issue with it but....I give no f*cks.

Top 10 GOAT List

01. Michael Jordan
02. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
03. Bill Russell
04. Magic Johnson (interchangeable with Bird)
05. Larry Bird (interchangeable with Magic)
06. Kobe Bryant
07. Shaquille O'Neal
08. Tim Duncan
09. LeBron James
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
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Old 06-27-2013, 06:36 PM   #86
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1. Jordan
2. Kareem (very close to mj, if not ahead of him)
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. LeBron
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Kobe
12. Oscar Robertson
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Old 06-27-2013, 06:37 PM   #87
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Seriously? Not seeing one person list Dr. J in their top ten.

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Seriously? Not seeing one person list Dr. J in their top ten.

He's 13th in my list, but in this thread I listed 12
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Old 06-27-2013, 06:57 PM   #89
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1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Lebron
10. Kobe

Favorite 10:

1. Reggie Miller
2. Drazen Petrovic
3. Pete Maravic
4. Penny Hardaway
5. Larry Bird
6. Lebron James
7. Magic Johnson
8. Shawn Kemp
9. Ray Allen
10. Dennis Rodman

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Old 06-27-2013, 07:00 PM   #90
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1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Wilt
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Shaq
8. Duncan
9. Lebron
10. Kobe

Solid list, but LeBron doesn't belong in the top 10 yet and Shaq is too low. Shaq won back-to-back-to-back Championships and FMVPS, but yet he's only a couple spots above LeBron?

I know you're biased, I am the same way with Kobe, but Shaq should be higher and LeBron should be off that list for now IMO
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