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Old 05-24-2013, 11:50 AM   #31
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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Unless Jordan had a team the calibre of being heavily favoured to win the championship, he never came close to a finals.

Meh. Not really. Jordan's '91 squad was far from stacked relative to competition.

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So does pointing out that Jordan lost in the 2nd round with a championship calibre squad.

As has Lebron. But his fans don't wanna admit that he quit vs. Boston in 2010.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:50 AM   #32
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Jordan was undefeated in the finals and was FMVP each time. No other player in history can say this. This is the main reason why Jordan > *

Actually, Willis Reed did it too. There are far better arguments for Jordan being the GOAT than this one.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:52 AM   #33
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

What's the point of this thread ? the argument was doomed from the start
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:52 AM   #34
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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Old 05-24-2013, 11:55 AM   #35
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Actually, Willis Reed did it too. There are far better arguments for Jordan being the GOAT than this one.
I've been waiting for about 10 years for someone to make an argument why Jordan should be considered better than Wilt.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:57 AM   #36
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I've been waiting for about 10 years for someone to make an argument why Jordan should be considered better than Wilt.

becuase he actually elevated his play in the playoffs, unlike Wilt, huge choker in the post season.
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I've been waiting for about 10 years for someone to make an argument why Jordan should be considered better than Wilt.

You want jlauber to take over this thread with his walls of text?
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:03 PM   #38
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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So does pointing out that Jordan lost in the 2nd round with a championship calibre squad.

Something people refuse to admit about Jordan that they always bash for Kobe for is lack of playoff success without stacked teams. Unless Jordan had a team the calibre of being heavily favoured to win the championship, he never came close to a finals. In 2009, Kobe won a title with a team no better than teams Jordan couldn't sniff a finals appearance. Not saying Kobe is better. Just pointing out how people refuse to have perspective when it comes to Jordan.

That's a dipshit statement but coming from you it's not surprising.

That squad wasn't championship caliber. They had a huge hole in the middle of their interior defense which Pippen had to work his ass off to cover all season. It got exploited in the playoffs. And it's not like Jordan was coming back to the same team of past championship glory. Kerr, Pete Myers, Longley, Wennnington, Buechler, Harper, and Kukoc were all new players on the team and there was an adjustment period. Anyone (yes, even a dullard like you) should know you don't gain championship level chemistry with new players after just 17 regular season games and a couple of playoff rounds.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:13 PM   #39
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Jordan was undefeated in the finals and was FMVP each time. No other player in history can say this. This is the main reason why Jordan > *

Yes... im sure its more prestigious to lose in 1st round or miss playoffs rather than lose in Finals.... epic logic...
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:20 PM   #40
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That's a dipshit statement but coming from you it's not surprising.

That squad wasn't championship caliber. They had a huge hole in the middle of their interior defense which Pippen had to work his ass off to cover all season. It got exploited in the playoffs. And it's not like Jordan was coming back to the same team of past championship glory. Kerr, Pete Myers, Longley, Wennnington, Buechler, Harper, and Kukoc were all new players on the team and there was an adjustment period. Anyone (yes, even a dullard like you) should know you don't gain championship level chemistry with new players after just 17 regular season games and a couple of playoff rounds.
Yeah. Not championship calibre at all, yet all they did was add Rodman and immediately have the best record in NBA history. Fcuk outta here.
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Old 05-24-2013, 12:22 PM   #41
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Yeah. Not championship calibre at all, yet all they did was add Rodman and immediately have the best record in NBA history. Fcuk outta here.

Yeah, all they did was add Rodman to shore up their interior defense, had training camp, got in tip top basketball shape working out with each other and played a full season together gaining a lot of chemistry. A full season to put it all together works wonders when a team is trying to win a championship. Dumbass.
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Yeah, all they did was add Rodman to shore up their interior defense, had training camp, got in tip top basketball shape working out with each other and played a full season together gaining a lot of chemistry. A full season to put it all together works wonders when a team is trying to win a championship. Dumbass.
What full season? The 72-10 season? That was just "working on chemistry" and trying to put it together?
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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Beat a very mediocre 41 win Wizards team without their two All-Stars, another shitty 41 win Nets team, and a old and clearly declining Pistons team.

You telling Jordan couldn't do that?

God damn the East was pathetic back then.

Even more pathetic than it is today.

In addition that Lebron shot 41% during that playoff run
in the close game 6 vs Detroit he shot 3-11 with Boobie Gibson going off for 30

Cleveland also had the 4th ranked defense and was #2 in ORB
He didn't drag that team to the Finals by no stretch of the imagination

If that were the case then what happened in 08, he lost that series IMO damn near single-handedly shooting 36% and avg 5TO for an entire series.

Plus as has been mentioned the competition was substandard to say the very least.
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