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Old 05-24-2013, 11:13 AM   #1
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Default Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

Is this a fair assumption to make? Surprised this hasn't come up yet, or maybe it has. Jordan never made it past the first round without Scottie Pippen. Lebron made it all the way to the finals while still in Cleveland.

No, I'm not 15, no, I don't think Lebron is better than Jordan. Yes, Jordan stans are just as bad as everyone else. I am just wondering if this stat is significant at all.

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Old 05-24-2013, 11:15 AM   #2
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

Also needs to be noted that Lebron's coach was Mike fcuking Brown.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:15 AM   #3
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

Jordan was undefeated in the finals and was FMVP each time. No other player in history can say this. This is the main reason why Jordan > *
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:19 AM   #4
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

Jordan has more rings than Lebron has finals appearances. Choke on that for a minute
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:19 AM   #5
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

You can tell who's under the age of 15 on this board. For those of us who have completed puberty and aren't riddled with an acne face, I will quote from the other thread the perfect reply to idiocy like this:

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LOL wut?

In 1988 MJ took the Bulls to the semi Finals and lost to the Pistons, with Sam Vincent averaging 10 ppg as his next best player (MJ averaged 36 ppg in the playoffs)

MJ took the '89 Bulls to the ECF and lost in 6 games to the eventual world champion Pistons. MJ averaged 35 ppg, and pre all star Pippen averaged 13 ppg as the next most productive player for the Bulls.

In 1990 the Bulls as underdogs lost in the ECF, losing in 7 games to the the eventual repeat world champions. Jordan's next best player being a mentally weak pre All Star caliber Scottie Pippen being the 2nd most productive player on the Bulls averaging 19 ppg. MJ? He averaged a measly 37 ppg for the '90 playoffs.

These boards are being consumed with 15 year olds (max) hipster generation, wearing their sister's pants, listening to Justin Bieber and Drake on Dre headphone propping up LeBron, while trying to downplay the GOAT to ever step foot on a basketball court.

The epidemic has reached all the way to Australia, where kangaroo loving clowns like plowking make claims that LeBron is better than Jordan. MJ has no advantages over LeBron, and MJ isn't even a top five passing SG of all-time.

ISH has reached new insane lows during these playoffs. Miami has the most stacked team in the league, the most talented team, and given their relation to the rest of the league (the youngest and healthiest) and the weakest road to the Finals I've ever seen ... and they're still struggling at times, and these pre pubescent LeCawk suckers want to make the claim this guy is better than Jordan already.

Context, kids. Stop the bandwagoning, turn off the ESPN hype machine. It's past your bed time.

The Bulls won multiple playoff rounds when Pippen was no where close to being an All-Star player, on the back of several heroic performances from Jordan including the infamous "The Shot" against Cleveland.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:19 AM   #6
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Jordan was undefeated in the finals and was FMVP each time. No other player in history can say this. This is the main reason why Jordan > *

This to me is a bit odd. Is it really more impressive to make it to 6 Finals and win 6 times than to say make it to 9 Finals and win 5 like Magic did?
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:20 AM   #7
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Is this a fair assumption to make? Surprised this hasn't come up yet, or maybe it has. Jordan never made it past the first round without Scottie Pippen. Lebron made it all the way to the finals while still in Cleveland.

Know your history dude.

This was addressed in another thread and your dead wrong :

Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH

LOL wut?

In 1988 MJ took the Bulls to the semi Finals and lost to the Pistons, with Sam Vincent averaging 10 ppg as his next best player (MJ averaged 36 ppg in the playoffs)

MJ took the '89 Bulls to the ECF and lost in 6 games to the eventual world champion Pistons. MJ averaged 35 ppg, and pre all star Pippen averaged 13 ppg as the next most productive player for the Bulls.

In 1990 the Bulls as underdogs lost in the ECF, losing in 7 games to the the eventual repeat world champions. Jordan's next best player being a mentally weak pre All Star caliber Scottie Pippen being the 2nd most productive player on the Bulls averaging 19 ppg. MJ? He averaged a measly 37 ppg for the '90 playoffs.

These boards are being consumed with 15 year olds (max) hipster generation, wearing their sister's pants, listening to Justin Bieber and Drake on Dre headphone propping up LeBron, while trying to downplay the GOAT to ever step foot on a basketball court.

The epidemic has reached all the way to Australia, where kangaroo loving clowns like plowking make claims that LeBron is better than Jordan. MJ has no advantages over LeBron, and MJ isn't even a top five passing SG of all-time.

ISH has reached new insane lows during these playoffs. Miami has the most stacked team in the league, the most talented team, and given their relation to the rest of the league (the youngest and healthiest) and the weakest road to the Finals I've ever seen ... and they're still struggling at times, and these pre pubescent LeCawk suckers want to make the claim this guy is better than Jordan already.

Context, kids. Stop the bandwagoning, turn off the ESPN hype machine. It's past your bed time.

Read more at http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...3ArcLG7pCL9.99


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Old 05-24-2013, 11:20 AM   #8
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

wrong. The Cleveland defense carried him to the finals, in spite of what lebron stans like to believe. It's the same case with 2001 Allen Iverson. People think he singlehandedly carried that team the whole year, when in fact, it was the team defense that overshadowed his mediocre offense. 2007 Cleveland was 18th in offense and 4th in defense. 07 lebron was a defensive liability, so don't even say he was anchoring the defense.
I will give him that game 5 in detroit though. He lit it up. But other than that, his mediocre offense that year was just sufficient enough to get it done, while his team's defense really clamped down opposition.... all done in the weak East against Wizards and NJ. But the Spurs, a real team, exposed them in the end.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:21 AM   #9
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This to me is a bit odd. Is it really more impressive to make it to 6 Finals and win 6 times than to say make it to 9 Finals and win 5 like Magic did?

It's being undefeated ****AND**** being FMVP each time. Yes, that is impressive as no one else has done it.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:23 AM   #10
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

It's fair; however, one must use context. Who did Lebron really beat during that playoff run? What teams did Jordan face without Scottie, etc

Pointing out that Lebron lost, in the finals, w/ a championship caliber squad actually holds more weight.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:23 AM   #11
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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You can tell who's under the age of 15 on this board. For those of us who have completed puberty and aren't riddled with an acne face, I will quote from the other thread the perfect reply to idiocy like this:



The Bulls won multiple playoff rounds when Pippen was no where close to being an All-Star player, on the back of several heroic performances from Jordan including the infamous "The Shot" against Cleveland.
That post really does not deny OP's post
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:24 AM   #12
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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You can tell who's under the age of 15 on this board. For those of us who have completed puberty and aren't riddled with an acne face, I will quote from the other thread the perfect reply to idiocy like this:



The Bulls won multiple playoff rounds when Pippen was no where close to being an All-Star player, on the back of several heroic performances from Jordan including the infamous "The Shot" against Cleveland.

That quote made me tear up.

Thank you.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:25 AM   #13
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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It's being undefeated ****AND**** being FMVP each time. Yes, that is impressive as no one else has done it.

But one actually made it there three more times. To me winning one more ring is great, but actually putting your team into a 50/50 shot of getting a ring 3 more times is just as impressive for a player.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:25 AM   #14
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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That post really does not deny OP's post

Just die. It does, but your too stupid to understand it.
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Old 05-24-2013, 11:25 AM   #15
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Default Re: Lebron got to the finals with his bad team, Jordan didn't make it past 1st round?

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That post really does not deny OP's post

Jordan made it past the 1st round several times before Pippen became an All-Star, with several incredible playoff runs before losing to the Pistons, who would rape that Cavs team. Probably would sweep them right out of the playoffs.

The Bulls pushed those Pistons teams to 6 and 7 games, probably would've won that 7th game if Pippen didn't have a freaking migraine headache and let the team down.
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