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Old 05-24-2013, 04:51 AM   #16
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Scottie Pippen was not a HOF caliber player until 1992/1993 probably at the earliest. He had to be developed and sheltered under Jordan.

Find me one player in NBA history that would've done anything with those crappy Bulls teams pre-1988? Those rosters were awful.

Magic, Bird, Kobe (lol), ain't doing jack all with Orlando Woolridge and Quinten Daily as the 2/3 options.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:52 AM   #17
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LOL wut?

In 1988 MJ took the Bulls to the semi Finals and lost to the Pistons, with Sam Vincent averaging 10 ppg as his next best player (MJ averaged 36 ppg in the playoffs)

MJ took the '89 Bulls to the ECF and lost in 6 games to the eventual world champion Pistons. MJ averaged 35 ppg, and pre all star Pippen averaged 13 ppg as the next most productive player for the Bulls.

In 1990 the Bulls as underdogs lost in the ECF, losing in 7 games to the the eventual repeat world champions. Jordan's next best player being a mentally weak pre All Star caliber Scottie Pippen being the 2nd most productive player on the Bulls averaging 19 ppg. MJ? He averaged a measly 37 ppg for the '90 playoffs.

These boards are being consumed with 15 year olds (max) hipster generation, wearing their sister's pants, listening to Justin Bieber and Drake on Dre headphone propping up LeBron, while trying to downplay the GOAT to ever step foot on a basketball court.

The epidemic has reached all the way to Australia, where kangaroo loving clowns like plowking make claims that LeBron is better than Jordan. MJ has no advantages over LeBron, and MJ isn't even a top five passing SG of all-time.

ISH has reached new insane lows during these playoffs. Miami has the most stacked team in the league, the most talented team, and given their relation to the rest of the league (the youngest and healthiest) and the weakest road to the Finals I've ever seen ... and they're still struggling at times, and these pre pubescent LeCawk suckers want to make the claim this guy is better than Jordan already.

Context, kids. Stop the bandwagoning, turn off the ESPN hype machine. It's past your bed time.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:53 AM   #18
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I'm guessing you counted all 64 games of the 1985 season he missed? I mean he joined a bad Bulls team, where his best teammates were Orlando Woolridge, Quintin Dailey, and Steve Johnson, and they improved every season (excluding his second season where he only played 18 games); not to mention the East was pretty loaded in the mid and late 80's. And by 1987 second year Charles Oakley, John Paxson, Gene Banks, and Dave Corzine were his best teammates.

But I'm sure a troll like the OP doesn't care about silly things like logic and context.
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:01 AM   #19
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Find me one player in NBA history that would've done anything with those crappy Bulls teams pre-1988? Those rosters were awful.
Especially in the 1980's East. The first few years of his career Bird's Celtics were at the height of their powers; the Moses Malone 76ers were still pretty good and churning out around 55 wins a year; and the Bucks, who people don't realize had a "Big 3" of Moncrief, Cummings, and Pressey (and I think Ricky Pierce eventually joined the team) who were good enough to get them around 60 wins a couple of season. Pretty sure Dominique's Hawks teams were pretty solid; at least around 50-55 win solid. Then the Pistons and, to a lesser extent, the Cavs started to emerge in the late 80's.
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:07 AM   #20
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LOL wut?

In 1988 MJ took the Bulls to the semi Finals and lost to the Pistons, with Sam Vincent averaging 10 ppg as his next best player (MJ averaged 36 ppg in the playoffs)

MJ took the '89 Bulls to the ECF and lost in 6 games to the eventual world champion Pistons. MJ averaged 35 ppg, and pre all star Pippen averaged 13 ppg as the next most productive player for the Bulls.

In 1990 the Bulls as underdogs lost in the ECF, losing in 7 games to the the eventual repeat world champions. Jordan's next best player being a mentally weak pre All Star caliber Scottie Pippen being the 2nd most productive player on the Bulls averaging 19 ppg. MJ? He averaged a measly 37 ppg for the '90 playoffs.

These boards are being consumed with 15 year olds (max) hipster generation, wearing their sister's pants, listening to Justin Bieber and Drake on Dre headphone propping up LeBron, while trying to downplay the GOAT to ever step foot on a basketball court.

The epidemic has reached all the way to Australia, where kangaroo loving clowns like plowking make claims that LeBron is better than Jordan. MJ has no advantages over LeBron, and MJ isn't even a top five passing SG of all-time.

ISH has reached new insane lows during these playoffs. Miami has the most stacked team in the league, the most talented team, and given their relation to the rest of the league (the youngest and healthiest) and the weakest road to the Finals I've ever seen ... and they're still struggling at times, and these pre pubescent LeCawk suckers want to make the claim this guy is better than Jordan already.

Context, kids. Stop the bandwagoning, turn off the ESPN hype machine. It's past your bed time.



Owning these 14-year-old idiots who don't know jack sh*t about basketball history.

Bravo.
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:20 AM   #21
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LOL wut?

In 1988 MJ took the Bulls to the semi Finals and lost to the Pistons, with Sam Vincent averaging 10 ppg as his next best player (MJ averaged 36 ppg in the playoffs)

MJ took the '89 Bulls to the ECF and lost in 6 games to the eventual world champion Pistons. MJ averaged 35 ppg, and pre all star Pippen averaged 13 ppg as the next most productive player for the Bulls.

In 1990 the Bulls as underdogs lost in the ECF, losing in 7 games to the the eventual repeat world champions. Jordan's next best player being a mentally weak pre All Star caliber Scottie Pippen being the 2nd most productive player on the Bulls averaging 19 ppg. MJ? He averaged a measly 37 ppg for the '90 playoffs.

These boards are being consumed with 15 year olds (max) hipster generation, wearing their sister's pants, listening to Justin Bieber and Drake on Dre headphone propping up LeBron, while trying to downplay the GOAT to ever step foot on a basketball court.

The epidemic has reached all the way to Australia, where kangaroo loving clowns like plowking make claims that LeBron is better than Jordan. MJ has no advantages over LeBron, and MJ isn't even a top five passing SG of all-time.

ISH has reached new insane lows during these playoffs. Miami has the most stacked team in the league, the most talented team, and given their relation to the rest of the league (the youngest and healthiest) and the weakest road to the Finals I've ever seen ... and they're still struggling at times, and these pre pubescent LeCawk suckers want to make the claim this guy is better than Jordan already.

Context, kids. Stop the bandwagoning, turn off the ESPN hype machine. It's past your bed time.

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Old 05-24-2013, 05:41 AM   #22
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1-9 without Pippen.
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:41 AM   #23
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Stupidest thread ever. First he only had just over 2 seasons without Pippen, and those were as a rookie and basically a sophomore. Second, Pippen didn't make the all-star team until his 3rd season, so I would hardly call the Pippen from 87/88 or 88/89 a Half of Fame teammate at that point.
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Old 05-24-2013, 05:48 AM   #24
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I'm guessing you counted all 64 games of the 1985 season he missed? I mean he joined a bad Bulls team, where his best teammates were Orlando Woolridge, Quintin Dailey, and Steve Johnson, and they improved every season (excluding his second season where he only played 18 games); not to mention the East was pretty loaded in the mid and late 80's. And by 1987 second year Charles Oakley, John Paxson, Gene Banks, and Dave Corzine were his best teammates.

But I'm sure a troll like the OP doesn't care about silly things like logic and context.

Why would I count them? Not only he was injured, but he also had George Gervin on the team.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:06 AM   #25
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Basketball is a TEAM game. History has proven that one player cannot win without help. And please don't give me Hakeem, who won one title in '94 with no more help than what his opposng star player had, (and with the best player in the game taking the year off), and then again in '95 when his teammates dominated Shaq's in '95. And for much of his career, his team's seldom won even 50 games, and were usually shredded in the first round of the playoffs (eight times in 15 post-seasons...and in most of those, they were routed.)

Of course, this "win" or "ring" argument has been used against Chamberlain ad nauseum. Take a look at what MJ had to go p against in the '86 playoffs. He took a 30-52 team, and with very little help, up against a 67-15 Celtic team that had five HOFers. He played his heart out in the first two games, and his team lost both, en route to a sweeping series loss. Using that example, that is what Wilt endured in the first half of his career. And yet he still nearly beat the dynastic Celtics in two series (and with his already cast of clown teammates playing even worse)...twice (losing game seven's by margins of 2 and 1 point.)

Kareem played on two losing teams (albeit, on one, his team, which had gone 59-23 the year before with Oscar, went 35-31 when KAJ played.) Not only that, but he played with stacked rosters in the last two seasons of the 70's, and his team had record of slightly better than .500, and were blown away by Sonic teams with less talent in the playoffs. And after he retired following the '89 season, the Lakers improved considerably, going from 57-25 to a 63-19 record. Not only that, but Kareem had some huge "choke jobs" as well.

Bird's Celtics lost seven times in the post-season with HCA, including a sweeping loss to a much less talent Buck team one year. And to be honest, he had some miserable post-season series along the way, too.

Even Russell was helpless against Wilt in the '67 ECF's, when Chamberlain's teammates neutralized his usual huge advantage in that regard, and were nearly swept by the Sixers.

Barring injuries, the better TEAM will win 99.9% of the time. It has been proven that one man cannot do it alone.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:08 AM   #26
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What's his record in the finals

Yes because Lebron winning the coference title is better than Jordan losing in the first round multiple times dur dur dur. Gotta love MJ fan logic.
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:11 AM   #27
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LOL wut?

In 1988 MJ took the Bulls to the semi Finals and lost to the Pistons, with Sam Vincent averaging 10 ppg as his next best player (MJ averaged 36 ppg in the playoffs)

MJ took the '89 Bulls to the ECF and lost in 6 games to the eventual world champion Pistons. MJ averaged 35 ppg, and pre all star Pippen averaged 13 ppg as the next most productive player for the Bulls.

In 1990 the Bulls as underdogs lost in the ECF, losing in 7 games to the the eventual repeat world champions. Jordan's next best player being a mentally weak pre All Star caliber Scottie Pippen being the 2nd most productive player on the Bulls averaging 19 ppg. MJ? He averaged a measly 37 ppg for the '90 playoffs.

These boards are being consumed with 15 year olds (max) hipster generation, wearing their sister's pants, listening to Justin Bieber and Drake on Dre headphone propping up LeBron, while trying to downplay the GOAT to ever step foot on a basketball court.

The epidemic has reached all the way to Australia, where kangaroo loving clowns like plowking make claims that LeBron is better than Jordan. MJ has no advantages over LeBron, and MJ isn't even a top five passing SG of all-time.

ISH has reached new insane lows during these playoffs. Miami has the most stacked team in the league, the most talented team, and given their relation to the rest of the league (the youngest and healthiest) and the weakest road to the Finals I've ever seen ... and they're still struggling at times, and these pre pubescent LeCawk suckers want to make the claim this guy is better than Jordan already.

Context, kids. Stop the bandwagoning, turn off the ESPN hype machine. It's past your bed time.

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Old 05-24-2013, 10:12 AM   #28
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Btw, MJ played with Kwame Brown a.k.a future HOFer. Morons
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:26 AM   #29
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146-170

0.462

(counting only the seasons without HOF on the roster, so no 5 games stretches with injured Pippen)




He can blame himself as President of the Wizards for this.
He traded away Rip Hamilton, and he drafted Kwame Brown instead of Pau Gasol or trading the draft pick that became Kwame for Elton Brand (who at that time was an All-Star caliber player).
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Old 05-24-2013, 10:27 AM   #30
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Btw, MJ played with Kwame Brown a.k.a future HOFer. Morons

Pau Gasol was in that draft. Oops.

Also Chicago wanted to trade Elton Brand for that pick, and MJ was ok with this, but Doug Collins was against it and MJ went with Doug. Oops.
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