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Old 05-14-2013, 04:01 PM   #1
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Default Honduras Death Squads: Police Accused Of Killing Gang Members

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TEGUCIGALPA, Honduras -- At least five times in the last few months, members of a Honduras street gang were killed or went missing just after run-ins with the U.S.-supported national police, The Associated Press has determined, feeding accusations that they were victims of federal death squads.

In a country with the highest homicide rate in the world and where only a fraction of crimes are prosecuted, the victims' families say the police are literally getting away with murder.

In March, two mothers discovered the bodies of their sons after the men had called in a panic to say they were surrounded by armed, masked police. The young men, both members of the 18th Street gang, had been shot in the head, their hands bound so tightly the cords cut to the bone.

That was shortly after three members of 18th Street were detained by armed, masked men and taken to a police station. Two men with no criminal history were released, but their friend disappeared without any record of his detention.

A month after the AP reported that an 18th Street gang leader and his girlfriend vanished from police custody, they are still missing.

The 18th Street gang and another known as Mara Salvatrucha are the country's biggest gangs, formed by Central American immigrants in U.S. prisons who later overran this small Central American country as their members were deported back home. Both engage in dealing drugs and charging extortion fees under threat of death. Now the 18th Street gang says its members are being targeted by police death squads, described by witnesses as heavily armed masked men in civilian dress and bullet-proof vests who kill or "disappear" gang members instead of bringing them to justice.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...m_hp_ref=world

Do you guys think this is an acceptable manner to reduce crime? Sometimes I think gangs reach a point where they are impossible to prosecute because everyone is afraid to testify against them even though everyone knows they are guilty.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:26 PM   #2
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:27 PM   #3
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Default Re: Honduras Death Squads: Police Accused Of Killing Gang Members

I think its ok in most places, maybe not in a diverse country full of racism like USA tho
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:58 PM   #4
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I think its ok in most places, maybe not in a diverse country full of racism like USA tho


Two posts in and we're already talking about race??


Bottom line, if you're in a gang, you should be treated as a domestic terrorist and should be exterminated with extreme prejudice. The purpose of life should be to live peacefully and happily and not in terror from thugs. Props to Honduras.
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:00 PM   #5
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Default Re: Honduras Death Squads: Police Accused Of Killing Gang Members

Yes, I think it's perfectly fair and sensible to kill gang bangers and other criminal dickheads.

BUT, eventually the whole process will get corrupted where police will probably just kill anyone that opposes them(whether it's politically motivated or not) so eventually it's going to be a problem.
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Old 05-14-2013, 06:16 PM   #6
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Am I the only one who thinks that upholding the right that every man is entitled to a fair trial is far more important than getting "revenge" on criminals for their percieved wrongs against us? That's a very, very slippery slope and would not provide the sort of justice that you imagine it would.
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Am I the only one who thinks that upholding the right that every man is entitled to a fair trial is far more important than getting "revenge" on criminals for their percieved wrongs against us? That's a very, very slippery slope and would not provide the sort of justice that you imagine it would.

Sometimes fair trials are an impossibility because of intimidation. Al Capone for example spent only 11 years in jail for tax evasion. You're telling me you don't believe Capone killed people or had people killed? You couldn't find anyone to testify against him though.
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That, and trials are lengthy and costly. It sounds grim, it is grim, but enough is enough.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:57 PM   #9
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Am I the only one who thinks that upholding the right that every man is entitled to a fair trial is far more important than getting "revenge" on criminals for their percieved wrongs against us? That's a very, very slippery slope and would not provide the sort of justice that you imagine it would.

One gang killing another gang.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:13 PM   #10
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Fvck all of them. The gangs deserve to be dead after they killed a lot of people over drugs and crap. Sometimes bad things need to be done to clean the streets of sh1t.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:44 PM   #11
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Default Re: Honduras Death Squads: Police Accused Of Killing Gang Members

These methods cleaned up latin American countries like Colombia and Peru in the 90's when they were full of terrorism and huge crime shitholes, definitely an effective way and a huge shortcut to becoming a better country.

It is a fine line though....there is bound to be innocent blood shed.
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One gang killing another gang.

Yup.
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The raid "the redemption" anyone?
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Default Re: Honduras Death Squads: Police Accused Of Killing Gang Members

LOL at these responses. People thinking the government should have the right to decide who lives and dies without a fair trial is what leads to mass genocide and witchhunts where countless innocent people are brutally murdered even if they are innocent. Nobody will know if these people truly deserved to die, just "Oh the police said they were affiliated with a gang, good enough for me." Then the government can kill without even having to justify their actions. In these Latin American countires, some entire villages are "gang affiliated" because the gang has their teeth sunk into every aspect of society. People need to respect and cooperate with the gang if needed to avoid having their entire families murdered. Those who simply let the gang exist out of fear could end up persecuted and killed by these death squads simply because they could not afford to leave the area they were born in that the gang now controls. Granting police the power to execute accused gang members is not the way to fix a country and will create more problems than it solves. You can't execute every single criminal, you simply can't. The guy who said this method has improved a lot of Latin American countries is an idiot. Murderous marxist regimes in Latin America have never ended well and have simply served to drive up death tolls while creating further economic and political instability. Peru, Colombia, Cuba; murdering a fraction of the population will not make your country prosper
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Should be doing it in every part of the globe, enough of these scum/******* who need to be in a gang cause they useless low lives who can't do nothing on there own, get rid of em already.

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