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Old 05-09-2013, 02:07 PM   #1
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Default Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

Do not comment on this post until you take a few moments to read this article. Otherwise you are just talking out of your arse, being a hater. If you educate yourself by reading this article and you still disagree with what Derrick Rose is doing, I would like to hear your explanation.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...s-critics.html

Grant Hill’s Advice for Derrick Rose’s Critics:

The longer the Chicago Bulls stay alive in the NBA playoffs, the louder the clamoring will grow for the return of their injured budding superstar, Derrick Rose. Before the din becomes overwhelming, critics should remember the story of an injured budding superstar of another era: Grant Hill.

The pressure on Rose, who hasn’t played since undergoing knee surgery last year, is already absurd. His detractors point out that injuries haven’t stopped teammates such as Joakim Noah, who has been playing with plantar fasciitis, or Nate Robinson, who has been battling the flu (complete with his very own vomit pail on the bench). One fan has sued Rose for emotional distress, and a Chicago radio station asked listeners to send letters pressuring Rose to suit up. Even Steve Kerr, a TV commentator and former Bulls guard, basically called Rose soft, saying he “owes it to his teammates to return.”

Kerr, who played against Hill for about a decade in the National Basketball Association, can’t be that clueless. As Hill told me: “It’s noble and admirable what Noah and Robinson and these guys are doing. But to compare that to what Rose is going through is irresponsible.”

We mythologize warrior-athletes; the more visible the agony, the better. But not all sports injuries are the same. It’s easy to remember those who inspired their team to glory by playing through pain -- and just as easy to forget those, like Hill, who never recovered from the damage they inflicted on themselves by doing so.

Ankle Trouble
Before Hill became an NBA journeyman, he was the next Michael Jordan. The Detroit Pistons took him with the third pick in the 1994 draft; he was an instant and perennial all-star. In the 1999-2000 season, Hill’s last with the Pistons, he averaged 25.8 points per game.

Toward the end of that season, Hill’s ankle started bothering him. The Pistons’ trainers treated it and Hill continued playing, but the ankle kept getting worse. After he pulled himself from a game, the team’s doctors assured him that it was merely a bone bruise. Hill sat out the last few games of the regular season, amid criticism that he was worried about jeopardizing his free-agent payday. He returned for the playoffs, but in his second game he felt a “pop” in his ankle. Hill couldn’t go on. The ankle was diagnosed as broken. He underwent surgery four days later.

The story might still have ended happily. In August 2000, three months after his ankle surgery, the Orlando Magic signed Hill to a seven-year, $93 million deal. In September, Orlando cleared him to scrimmage against his new teammates. “I’m going against guys on the Magic that six months earlier I averaged 40 points against,” Hill said. “And I’m not feeling right.”

Hill wasn’t right. In the end, the ankle would require four more surgeries. He spent the prime of his career -- years when he should have been dominating the league -- in hospitals and training rooms. The Magic had made a mistake, pushing Hill back onto the court before his ankle had fully healed. But Hill had made a mistake, too, deferring to the judgment of the team’s doctors and ignoring his own instincts. He stayed in the NBA -- he may retire this summer, at 40, after spending the season with the Los Angeles Clippers -- but he never played with the same confidence again. “If I had sat out for a whole season, who knows what would have happened?” Hill said.

The Bulls haven’t pushed Rose back onto the court prematurely. But they did throw him under the bus, announcing in February that he had been medically cleared to play. “I don’t want to be critical of the Bulls, but I wish they just said, ‘Look, he’s out,’” Hill said.

Knee Trouble
Instead, Rose now sits on the bench in his slick suits, looking every bit the part of the rich athlete who cares only about himself. He won’t rule out the possibility of playing during the postseason, which is yet another thing that he has been criticized for. Rose can’t win. If he definitively confirms he’s not going to play, it will only reinforce what his critics are saying about him.

Basketball is a physical game, but it’s also a psychological one, especially for elite players such as Hill and Rose, who are accustomed to feeling invincible on the court. Rose’s knee may have “healed,” but that doesn’t mean he’s ready to test it in games -- let alone in the playoffs against the Miami Heat.

This is not Isiah Thomas and his badly sprained ankle. This is a torn anterior cruciate ligament, the one that enables Rose to stand firm against an onrushing LeBron James or leap over Dwyane Wade. It wasn’t that long ago that a torn ACL was a career killer.

Thomas was obviously hurting when he famously scored 25 points for the Pistons against the Lakers in the third quarter of Game 6 of 1988 NBA Finals. But Rose hasn’t played professional basketball in more than a year. Sure, he has practiced some with the team, and was even “busted” throwing down a dunk in a viral video -- as if that has anything to do with going up against average NBA players, never mind LeBron.

People are treating Rose’s body like it belongs to them. It doesn’t. Only he will know when he’s ready to go. “Here’s the thing,” Hill says. “You want Derrick Rose to come back as Derrick Rose the great MVP, all-star player that he is -- to have that feeling when he steps on the court that no one can stop him. I remember that feeling from when I was young.”

Are you listening, Chicago?

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Default Re: Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

Rose has already sat out an entire year.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:12 PM   #3
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Default Re: Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

Yea - most fans know Grant's situation - and that's why I was against him playing the regular season (along with the fact that the Bulls would be losing 17 million).

But right - he can't be watching Noah play on one leg, watch Nate Robinson fill his spot out there and not feel like an absolute biitch.
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Rose has no physical injuries.
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Rose is puss. Obvi.
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I totally agree that rose should come back when he's ready, and not before, and that people should get off his back about it.

However, I will always take issue with people calling him an 'mvp-level' player. Like nash, he was gifted mvp by narrative. There were a number of more deserving players that year.
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Grant Hill is awesome and I agree with anything he says

Signed, suns fan

PS Grant come back to the Suns and be our #1 option
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props to Grant Hill. always a classy professional player
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I totally agree that rose should come back when he's ready, and not before, and that people should get off his back about it.

However, I will always take issue with people calling him an 'mvp-level' player. Like nash, he was gifted mvp by narrative. There were a number of more deserving players that year.
Yup. Rose realistically should have finished 6 or 7 in the MVP voting.
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Default Re: Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

Why doesn't Rose just tell the media "I'm done, I'm out of the playoffs this year and will be playing next season to work myself back in the game".

NOT that he actually has to sit out. He can say this AND still suit up if he feels comfortable later on the playoffs. But his constant, "Yeah any day now... I think I could be ready... maybe", it's keeping fans and critics wondering.
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Yup. Rose realistically should have finished 6 or 7 in the MVP voting.

At the very least, Lebron, Pau, Chris Paul and Howard were more valuable than him. You could easily argue for dirk, pierce and durant as well.
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Default Re: Grant Hill on Derrick Rose... a must read... especially for Bulls fans

In that article, they skip ahead five years, from Rookie Grant Hill to 27 year Hill, in a matter of a sentence, but it's worth stating age is a factor in healing and Rose is a a handful of years younger. Wouldn't surprise me if physical therapy has advanced since then too.

Rose was 23 when he got injured and somewhat conveniently got injured going into the offseason. Yet, he still missed the whole season. Not really a big deal, but...

The whole "I could be back any game" stuff Rose has said in the past month or two gives people the reasonable idea that he's very close to returning and probably at least 80% physical healthy.

Not to mention, Rose and Adidas heavily marketed his return to basketball in sports media, basically putting it on the tip of everybody's tongue leading up to the AS break and beyond. Don't think that helped him.

Blake Griffin missed his entire rookie season, but it was well known and established at the time that he would indeed be out. Mostly due to the timing of his surgery (january). But with the timing of Rose's injury, it wasn't a stretch of the imagination given the average healing time to expect him to be on the court by now.

I want him to come back, but coming back mid-playoffs is not realistic and might even be "dangerous". He should just sit it out. Would have like to seen him 2-3 weeks prior to the playoffs though.
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Rose isn't hurt. That is the part of this that nobody seems to understand.

If were hurt...then this notion of "coming back too soon" would make perfect sense and nobody would want him to risk it.

But he's not hurt and he's practicing. Just like Barkley said last night. If you keep claiming you may come back and you are practicing for 2 months...you should play in games.

Simple as that.
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Rose isn't hurt. That is the part of this that nobody seems to understand.

If were hurt...then this notion of "coming back too soon" would make perfect sense and nobody would want him to risk it.

But he's not hurt and he's practicing. Just like Barkley said last night. If you keep claiming you may come back and you are practicing for 2 months...you should play in games.

Simple as that.
It doesn't help his case that he goes out and runs around the court for pregame shootarounds in front of crowds. You're going out of your way to show the public that you're able to run, shoot and play.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:26 PM   #15
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Why is this article trying to make it seem like this is 1960 and a torn ACL is a career ender? It's 20 fcuking 13.. It's very easy for an athlete to come back at 90-100% 8 months after a torn ACL.. Rose is just a bitch with muscle memory problems..

Rose don't care about basketball, all he cares about is a paycheck.
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