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Old 05-09-2013, 03:59 PM   #1
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The Browns considered trading the no. 6 pick to a marquee franchise, in exchange for a second-round pick, a first-round pick in 2014, another first-round pick in 2015, and two other future selections



Why wouldn't the Browns jump all over that?
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Old 05-09-2013, 06:51 PM   #2
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Post the rest of the article...

"It's unclear if this deal was really that close to happening, although let's just irresponsibly guess that the mystery team was the San Francisco 49ers."
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Why wouldn't the Browns jump all over that?
That wasn't a "proposed deal." It was just a small portion of the article where there were apparently talks about a potential trade. There is absolutely no indication that the deal was on the table.

Here's the complete article, which I thought was quite good:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...-day-cleveland
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Old 05-09-2013, 07:10 PM   #4
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It had to have been on the table. They were the ones considering doing the trade, as in....balls in your court, the deal is there if you want it.
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Old 05-09-2013, 07:17 PM   #5
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It had to have been on the table. They were the ones considering doing the trade, as in....balls in your court, the deal is there if you want it.
Not at all the way it was presented. And, the whole article is basically designed around the premise that they gave Klosterman zero access to any information of any value. Yet, you think he was privy to these in-depth conversations about trades on the table?

The one with the Rams was widely reported in Cleveland the night of the draft. This one? Who knows which team was involved and how the talks went.

There is absolutely no indication, however, that a trade was on the table and the Browns passed.

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Here's something else that's transpiring: math. There's a lot of low-level math happening. When not contemplating Mingo, the Cleveland front office considers the possible acquisition of Davone Bess from the Miami Dolphins.1 Bess was 14th among wide receivers in receptions since 2009, but it looks like he's being phased out of the Dolphins' future (particularly after the signing of free agent Mike Wallace for $60 million). Miami doesn't particularly need Bess, so it's willing to give him up for the simple transposition of middle-round draft picks. The Browns offer Miami the 104th overall selection and the 164th overall selection in exchange for Bess, the 111th pick, and the 217th pick. This requires an objective discussion about the mathematical value of average draft prospects (mostly based on data from a version of this chart) and a subjective (and seemingly less essential) debate about what Bess offers on the field. Later that afternoon, an even crazier hypothetical spontaneously emerges: The Browns consider trading tonight's no. 6 pick to a marquee franchise, in exchange for a second-round pick tomorrow, a first-round pick in 2014, another first-round pick in 2015, and two other future selections. This would mean Chudzinski would start his coaching career with a 5-11 team that doesn't even have a first-round draft option; it would also mean the Browns would be extremely well positioned over the next three years. Ultimately, the blockbuster does not happen. It's possible that it was never close to happening. But this is how you rebuild a franchise that's made the playoffs once in 14 years: You look at what the team has always done, and then you try to do the opposite.

Funny thing is, the Browns have tried that in the recent past... They've traded down with better teams for multiple picks in coming years a couple of times (Mark Sanchez/Julio Jones).

Nothing new, really. And the results were mixed.
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Old 05-09-2013, 07:52 PM   #6
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I was under the assumption he was only kicked out during the draft, not the days leading up to it. He had first-hand knowledge of the Bess deal before it happened, the STL trade if Mingo wasn't available....nothing suggests he would be wrong about this trade.
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Well, it looks as though Klosterman's article has reached Browns' headquarters and they've responded to the trade rumor...

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Browns considered a blockbuster trade opportunity for No. 6 per report, but source told PD the other team opted not to proceed

In a story about the Browns' draft on grantland.com, reporter Chuck Klosterman, who spent three days here with the Browns including some time in the war room hours before the draft, reveals that the Browns pondered a second trade opportunity for the No. 6 overall pick besides the one they had with the Rams to move down to No. 16.

Klosterman wrote that an unnamed marquee franchise proposed a deal for No. 6 in exchange for their second-rounder this year, first-rounders in 2014 and 2015 and two other future selections.

A league source told the Plain Dealer that a team did float something along those lines, and the Browns said they'd consider it. But the other team opted not to proceed, and it never became a real option.

The Browns did have a chance to move down to No. 16 with the Rams if the Browns' man, LSU linebacker Barkevious Mingo, was not there at No. 6. The Rams ultimately made the trade with Buffalo at No. 8, surrendering the 16th pick, their second-rounder (No. 46) and their seventh-rounder (No. 222). The clubs also swapped third-round picks.

Klosterman was in the Browns war room the afternoon of the draft, which began at 8 p.m. He said that as early as 2:30 p.m., Mingo's name was written on the white board and identified as their top choice. Klosterman remained in the room until about 5:30 p.m. when embattled Browns owner Jimmy Haslam entered the room and Klosterman was ushered out.

But by that time, he had little doubt who the Browns were taking.

He wrote in the grantland.com piece, "To a degree, this verdict has already galvanized in their collective brain: Mingo is absolutely the man they want to draft. They describe him as "always relentless." They identify him as the type of player who "represents everything" they aspire to as a franchise. But — right now, as they make those remarks casually — it's still the middle of the afternoon. The future remains unwritten. Maybe they will get Mingo and maybe they will not; all they can do right now is write his name on a dry-erase board and periodically stare at the letters whenever they grow bored of staring at the TV or staring at the computer or staring at each other.''

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/team...ter-trade.html

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I was under the assumption he was only kicked out during the draft, not the days leading up to it. He had first-hand knowledge of the Bess deal before it happened, the STL trade if Mingo wasn't available....nothing suggests he would be wrong about this trade.
He wasn't "wrong." He said he had no idea if the trade was ever a real option. Turns out, their potential trade partner backed out.
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Default Re: Browns had this proposed deal in the draft?

The most encouraging thing about this article, I guess, -- if you're a Browns fan -- is the front office's apparent infatuation with Mingo.

This wasn't a case of... "Well, Jordan and Ansah are off the board, so we'll take the third best pass-rusher in the draft."

The Browns' plan on draft night was very simple... If Mingo was there at 6, take him. If not, trade down. For an old draft-day pro like Joe Banner to be that confident about a player shows maybe we have something special in Barkevious.

Of course, there is no certainty with any draft pick. We've learned that the hard way many times over. But, it's good to hear they landed the one guy they wanted at the top of this draft.
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